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Boat Forum / Boats / July 2009Nitrogen in tires
The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. Is it worth it? Thoughts? -- John H "A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw >The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >Is it worth it? Thoughts? Well, consider this - regular old air is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1% other gases and water vapor. The advantage of nitrogen is that it won't diffuse through the rubber because the molecule is bigger. Personally, air is cheaper and mostly nitrogen anyway. >>The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Personally, air is cheaper and mostly nitrogen anyway. Hadn't looked at it that way. What I'd be doing is paying $30 for a change of 22%. Hell, I'll probably be paying a lot more for 'change' when my next income tax bill comes in. -- John H "A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw >>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > John H That would be true if they could remove all of the air from your tires first. Even if they used a vacuum, it would never come close to 100%. On Jul 2, 8:44 pm, John...same as yesterday. <salmonb...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:23:49 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > when my next income tax bill comes in. > -- It does help to lighten your car to get better gas mileage. Your billfold will be lighter. :-) > On Jul 2, 8:44 pm, John...same as yesterday. <salmonb...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > :-) I always thought this nitrogen in tires thing was a scam too. I understood using it in paintball guns but tires? > On Jul 2, 8:44 pm, John...same as yesterday. <salmonb...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > :-) In that case fill 'em with helium! > On Jul 2, 8:44 pm, John...same as yesterday. <salmonb...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > :-) hmmmm, now with that thought. How do you *KNOW* they actually put nitrogen in them any way??? Could have just put the compressor (if any at all)) to the tires and took your loot! >> On Jul 2, 8:44 pm, John...same as yesterday. <salmonb...@gmail.com> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >Could have just put the compressor (if any at all)) to the tires and >took your loot! Maybe they spray some green stuff around the valve stem as proof? -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free!" --Anonymous >>>The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > support of Paul." > -- George Bernard Shaw Costco does it for free. And they just had $70 on 4 michelins. >>>>The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>>Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Costco does it for free. And they just had $70 on 4 michelins. Yeah, but they've got the best pizza and Metamucil in town, including Chicago. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free!" --Anonymous > On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:50:17 -0400, John...same as yesterday. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Personally, air is cheaper and mostly nitrogen anyway. This reminds me of the stories I've *heard* about the gullible going into a car dealership in the spring to have the "winter" air removed, and have "summer " air installed in all tires event he spare... snake oil. Now, John, if you really want to have something spectacular, take it to a farm tire dealer and have them filled with Calcium Chloride. In their tractor tires, the farmers get better traction due to the increased weight. >>The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The advantage of nitrogen is that it won't diffuse through the rubber > because the molecule is bigger. Although true, the relative size difference means diddily squat. I get a big kick out of the claims. The reason that nitrogen filled tires stay inflated better is because after spending 30 to 50 bucks to have it done, people check the inflation more often. It's nothing but a marketing scam. Also, tires age, rot and crack from the outside, not the inside. Ridding the internal gas of reactive components to sunlight and weather doesn't help the outside surfaces much. >>>The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > internal gas of reactive components to sunlight and weather doesn't help > the outside surfaces much. NASCAR uses Nitrogen for the reason it is dry. No water vapor to change the pressure drastically with heat. It may lose less in a passenger / truck tire, but not enough difference to matter. I check my truck tires regularly and still have to add once in awhile. And Costco used N2. > The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. > Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul." > -- George Bernard Shaw Your tires already have 78.0% nitrogen 20.9% oxygen and some trace gases in them. How much are you going to have to pay to protect the inside of the tire from the oxygen. How do they plan to protect the outside of your tire from the effects of oxygen? >> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >the tire from the oxygen. How do they plan to protect the outside of >your tire from the effects of oxygen? Good points all. This group is definitely helping me with my senility problem. -- John H "A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw >>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > This group is definitely helping me with my senility problem. Adm Arliegh Burke has a nice facility up in McLean for guys like you. If you get into the alzheimer's ward they will give you the code to open the doors but, you will forget it 10 seconds later. >>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >you get into the alzheimer's ward they will give you the code to open >the doors but, you will forget it 10 seconds later. Hey! Be nice. I've not been able to golf for almost four weeks 'cause of the cracked rib. Wednesday I went out and played 18 here at Greendale. I waited long enough. Nothing hurt, so I guess I'm good to go. I bought a 7-wood, used, from Callaway. Nice club. I took the 4=iron out of the bag. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free!" --Anonymous >>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I bought a 7-wood, used, from Callaway. Nice club. I took the 4=iron > out of the bag. I was up at the US Open a week or two ago. I've got that checked off the list and I never have to do it again. Getting ready to do the 10 day drive from Denver to Minneapolis with the wife and kids. Leaving for the airport in about an hour. >>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Getting ready to do the 10 day drive from Denver to Minneapolis with the > wife and kids. Leaving for the airport in about an hour. Gee...how'd you do at the U.S. Open? Did you make the leader board? Denver to Minneapolis? Are you attending a congrats party for Senator Franken or a burial party for ex-Senator Coleman? >>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Getting ready to do the 10 day drive from Denver to Minneapolis with the >wife and kids. Leaving for the airport in about an hour. Ah, Minneapolis, my birthplace. As you drive by, see if the flag is flying upside down over the capitol since Franken is now a Senator. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free!" --Anonymous >>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>>>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free!" > --Anonymous What's so cool is I know WAFA is gonna' sh.t at this post and I won't even see it.. Already the group is much easier and nicer to read with he and Just a Piece of sh.t <plonked>.. Rowdy Mouse Racing, 6th place in the Womens Class! >>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for >>>>>>>> $30. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Rowdy Mouse Racing, 6th place in the Womens Class! It's not polite to make reference to those in your bozos bin. Besides, you want to keep em guessing. It drives them crazy. >>>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen >>>>>>>>> for $30. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > It's not polite to make reference to those in your bozos bin. Besides, > you want to keep em guessing. It drives them crazy. SIR, yes SIR!! >>>>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen >>>>>>>>>> for $30. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > SIR, yes SIR!! You're confusing me with Major John. >>>>>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen >>>>>>>>>>> for $30. [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> SIR, yes SIR!! >You're confusing me with Major John. Sure as hell not me! -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous >>>>>>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen >>>>>>>>>>>> for $30. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > -- > John H ~~ Snerk ~~. Who else if a Major pain in the butt here? >>>>>>>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen >>>>>>>>>>>>> for $30. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >~~ Snerk ~~. >Who else if a Major pain in the butt here? You're just sharp as a tack today. Great post, Don White. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for $30. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" > --Anonymous? My apologies. Did I give you a promotion or a demotion? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for $30. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >> --Anonymous? >My apologies. Did I give you a promotion or a demotion? I'd have been thrilled with a promotion, but I can get by with just 'John'. Or, if you feel like Harry, 'a.shole' will also work. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous >>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for >>>>>>>> $30. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Rowdy Mouse Racing, 6th place in the Womens Class! Why would I "gonna sh.t" at the vomit you and your retarded right-wing buddies spit up here? >>>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for >>>>>>>>> $30. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >Why would I "gonna sh.t" at the vomit you and your retarded right-wing >buddies spit up here? 6th place in the women's class. Isn't that what's making you sh.t?? Radical, dude. >>>>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for >>>>>>>>>> $30. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Radical, dude. I'll keep it in mind if I ever enter an amateur "women's" bitty motocross race on the redneck dirt of his part of new england. > >>>>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for > >>>>>>>>>> $30. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Could you translate that into English Mr. alleged professional writer? > >>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for > >>>>>>>> $30. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Um, you just did, idiot. >The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >Is it worth it? Thoughts? It makes some sense if you have aluminum wheels. Otherwise, it just isn't worth it.......  SignatureForté Agent 5.00 Build 1171 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm >>The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>Is it worth it? Thoughts? > >It makes some sense if you have aluminum wheels. Otherwise, it just >isn't worth it....... Didn't make a damn bit of difference with the aluminum trailer rims and tires. The beads still leak after a couple of dunkings in salt water. >>>The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >The beads still leak after a couple of dunkings in salt water. Bummer..... I just thought of something... it may be worth the nitrogen to protect those TMPS sensors... SignatureForté Agent 5.00 Build 1171 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm > Bummer..... I just thought of something... it may be worth the > nitrogen to protect those TMPS sensors... Most of the TMPS systems don't really measure tire pressure. The system has speed sensors on each wheel and measures the rotation time of each tire compared to the others. If a tire is low, it's number of rotations for a given speed, compared to the other tires will increase. That's what triggers the low pressure warning. It's a natural add-on capability brought about by anti-lock braking systems (which require the speed sensors). So, air or nitrogen means diddily. Eisboch >> Bummer..... I just thought of something... it may be worth the >> nitrogen to protect those TMPS sensors... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Eisboch What about the sensors that readout PSI and not just the *low* warning. I have two Buick Lucernes and the newest actually reads out the PSI for each tire, the older gives a low warning without telling which tire is actually low. The older system is the one that I understand measured wheel rotation. >>> Bummer..... I just thought of something... it may be worth the >>> nitrogen to protect those TMPS sensors... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > low. The older system is the one that I understand measured wheel > rotation. I was unaware of that. Learn something new everyday. It is my understanding however that most of the tire pressure monitoring systems are of the type I described. Eisboch >>>> Bummer..... I just thought of something... it may be worth the >>>> nitrogen to protect those TMPS sensors... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Eisboch If i recall correctly the senors that measure PSI cost $300~400 to replace >>>>> Bummer..... I just thought of something... it may be worth the >>>>> nitrogen to protect those TMPS sensors... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > If i recall correctly the senors that measure PSI cost $300~400 to replace A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. Eisboch >>>>>> Bummer..... I just thought of something... it may be worth the >>>>>> nitrogen to protect those TMPS sensors... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Eisboch Ever try to read tire pressure at 70 MPH? 8>) >> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >> >> Eisboch > > Ever try to read tire pressure at 70 MPH? 8>) Good point. I am not sure I am all for the gadgets and high tech, computer controlled wizardry in cars. KISS. I think about the '06 M5 I had (all two of them). They probably represented the state-of-the-art in electronic, CPU controlled operation that year, from the engine management systems to the electronically controlled SMG transmission that operates the clutch electronically. They were both a disaster. Traded in the first one because it had too many software "bugs". Transmission would freeze up in neutral. The famous "Red Cog of Death" would appear on the driver's display and your only option was to call a flatbed. Traded that in for one that had a later build date that reportedly had the bugs worked out. Nope. Car was a spectacular performer, with 500 hp and handling that could safely rocket you along at over 200 mph if you were so inclined (I wasn't), but the damn thing wouldn't move half the time due to a software malfunction. That's when I traded it for the Porsche 911TT. Porsche remains somewhat "old school" and other than those electronics that are absolutely necessary, it was a driver's car. I like that. Ironically though, it was Porsche, back in the late 80's, that developed the first tire pressure monitoring system, based on speed sensors on all four wheels. Eisboch >>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Eisboch I must have been thinking of some other over-priced replacement car part. Although not oem you can get the whole kit for under $150. http://www.automotix.net/bodyparts/2008-buick-lucerne-tools_garage-tpms409s.html Car software problems. I have the two Lucernes, '07 and '08. On occasion either one of them will lock the doors when you exit the vehicle. When it first happened I talked with the local service manager and they had never heard of it. Maybe a year later the same guy confessed that they were now aware of the problem and the service guys roll down a window just in case the car locks while they are working on it. GM will not do anything about it. It's a problem for me as we leave the keys in the car when they are parked at home. I now carry a spare in my pocket. >>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > It's a problem for me as we leave the keys in the car when they are parked > at home. I now carry a spare in my pocket. Leave your keys in the car...while it's unlocked? They'd love you around here...in no time at all your cars would be in a container on its way to Russia or some 3rd world country. >Leave your keys in the car...while it's unlocked? >They'd love you around here...in no time at all your cars would be in a >container on its way to Russia or some 3rd world country. Leaving them in the car isn't a bad idea if your car is in a locked garage. Quick getaway when the wife gets pissed. I always keep my house key on the same ring though, and might get confused dealing with two key rings. I just know I'd lock myself out of something. --Vic >>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > They'd love you around here...in no time at all your cars would be in a > container on its way to Russia or some 3rd world country. Here ain't there.... >Here ain't there.... And there ain't here The highway department here in Duxbury is selling a 1953 vintage tractor. I believe it is a Massey Ferguson, but could be wrong. The town says it doesn't run, they can't get parts, so they will probably end up selling it for scrap. Want me to make an offer? I don't know anything about old tractors. Eisboch > The highway department here in Duxbury is selling a 1953 vintage tractor. I > believe it is a Massey Ferguson, but could be wrong. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Eisboch There's a really nice Massey for sale in the neighborhood. It runs. >> The highway department here in Duxbury is selling a 1953 vintage tractor. >> I believe it is a Massey Ferguson, but could be wrong. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > There's a really nice Massey for sale in the neighborhood. It runs. ...and that had nothing to do with the spirit of Eisboch's post did it? You really do have to post in *every* thread don't you. Holy sh.t! Get a life, putz. --Mike > > The highway department here in Duxbury is selling a 1953 vintage tractor. I > > believe it is a Massey Ferguson, but could be wrong. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > There's a really nice Massey for sale in the neighborhood. It runs. Another ME, ME, ME post in 3, 2, 1....... >The highway department here in Duxbury is selling a 1953 vintage tractor. I >believe it is a Massey Ferguson, but could be wrong. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Want me to make an offer? I don't know anything about old tractors. The town should put it up for bid - they are only going to get $100 or so for it scrap. '53 Massey's where the change over year for Massey. Massey-Harris bought Ferguson and for the entire '53 run, the company was called Massey-Harris-Ferguson - you never knew what you were getting and from which company. However, there are Massey collectors out there who might be interested - I'm not. The town would do much better just advertising it and selling it for parts - seriously. >The highway department here in Duxbury is selling a 1953 vintage tractor. I >believe it is a Massey Ferguson, but could be wrong. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Want me to make an offer? I don't know anything about old tractors. PS: Thanks for the idea - A Captain series of nicks sound like a lot of fun. UP UP AND AWAY.... Oh wait, that's Superman. Sorry... >> The highway department here in Duxbury is selling a 1953 vintage tractor. I >> believe it is a Massey Ferguson, but could be wrong. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sorry... Cap'n Sockpuppet? Suits you. >>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > They'd love you around here...in no time at all your cars would be in a > container on its way to Russia or some 3rd world country. Hehe, he lives in a nicer neighborhood dummy. Crime isn't rampant everywhere... just the places you can afford to live. Now, go fetch your boy some suds. --Mike > >>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Halifax is the crime capital of Canada! >>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > They'd love you around here...in no time at all your cars would be in a > container on its way to Russia or some 3rd world country. Most of us do not live in a crime ridden cesspool. >>>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > >Most of us do not live in a crime ridden cesspool. You live in the burbs where the bad sh.t happens behind closed doors. >>>>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > You live in the burbs where the bad sh.t happens behind closed doors. But still not a crime ridden cesspool. Where your car is ripped off, etc. >>>>>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > >But still not a crime ridden cesspool. Where your car is ripped off, etc. I'm sure if your community had anyone living there that was under 60 there might be some mischief happening. I expect you're safe. >>>>>>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > I expect you're safe. My community has lots under 60. Mixed races. Blacks, Asians, India indians, and lots of children. A very nice middle class community. Some rich, some not so wealthy. Very little crime. Highly rated public schools. >>>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Most of us do not live in a crime ridden cesspool. Nor in the gay capital of the free world. Still hanging around in those bath houses? >>>>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > Nor in the gay capital of the free world. > Still hanging around in those bath houses? You homophobic, besides stupid? >>>>>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > You homophobic, besides stupid? hee hee...guess that answers my question. It's ok ...we're 'don't ask, don't tell' here. >>>>>>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > hee hee...guess that answers my question. > It's ok ...we're 'don't ask, don't tell' here. Bilious's retirement job is similar to herring's: picking up soap in the shower. >>>>>>>>>> A tire pressure gauge is a couple of bucks at Auto Zone. >>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Bilious's retirement job is similar to herring's: picking up soap in the > shower. Both homophobic racists. Since I have had the same wife for 41 years, and Harry seems to have had more than one, and the present one keeps him in the basement. Maybe he is gay. I have gay friends. big deal. Most do not like the flaming, in your face gays of Polk Gulch either. When I worked in SF while going to university, two of the IT operations managers were gay. Big deal. Their choice. Since you are consistantly wrong about politics, and Don's son is the alcoholic, not me. Stands to reason you are wrong about me most of the time. > Both homophobic racists. Since I have had the same wife for 41 years, and > Harry seems to have had more than one, and the present one keeps him in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > politics, and Don's son is the alcoholic, not me. Stands to reason you > are wrong about me most of the time. Uh....... you are the one who posts as if 'three sheets to the wind', Kalif Swill. I'm sure the AA organization can help you. On the other hand, if you are telling the truth.........what the *ell is wrong with you? Why do you talk funny most of the time? >> Both homophobic racists. Since I have had the same wife for 41 years, and >> Harry seems to have had more than one, and the present one keeps him in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > On the other hand, if you are telling the truth.........what the *ell is > wrong with you? Why do you talk funny most of the time? Bilious Bill is trying the "stream of unconsciousness" style of writing. Things have not been going well for him lately. >>> Both homophobic racists. Since I have had the same wife for 41 years, >>> and Harry seems to have had more than one, and the present one keeps him [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Bilious Bill is trying the "stream of unconsciousness" style of writing. > Things have not been going well for him lately. I suppose we should be patient with someone like him...if he wasn't so nasty posting lies about family members of others >>>> Both homophobic racists. Since I have had the same wife for 41 years, >>>> and Harry seems to have had more than one, and the present one keeps [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I suppose we should be patient with someone like him...if he wasn't so > nasty posting lies about family members of others F'n idiots! You are both low IQ under achievers. A drunk who could only get work at a crown corporation, that raises a failure for a son. Still living at home and still getting him his beer. Harry, claims to be a professional writer. No cites about him on the internet, except as the PR person for crooked bunch of union thieves. Lies about family members? Just repeating your statements about your beer swilling, can not buy a car in his own name (Cheating the insurance company?) son. >>>>> Both homophobic racists. Since I have had the same wife for 41 years, >>>>> and Harry seems to have had more than one, and the present one keeps [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > repeating your statements about your beer swilling, can not buy a car in his > own name (Cheating the insurance company?) son. It's a bit early in the day for you to be so drunk, bilious. >>>>>> Both homophobic racists. Since I have had the same wife for 41 >>>>>> years, and Harry seems to have had more than one, and the present one [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > It's a bit early in the day for you to be so drunk, bilious. I'm starting if he's ever alcohol (or drug) free. Certainly has some serious problems going on. >>>>>>> Both homophobic racists. Since I have had the same wife for 41 >>>>>>> years, and Harry seems to have had more than one, and the present [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I'm starting if he's ever alcohol (or drug) free. > Certainly has some serious problems going on. You and harry are either total alcoholics or you are even more stupid than I figured. Maybe both. Don, you should get your head out of harry a.s. Maybe some fresh air will save what few brain cells you still have living. > You and harry are either total alcoholics or you are even more stupid than > I figured. Maybe both. Don, you should get your head out of harry a.s. > Maybe some fresh air will save what few brain cells you still have living. Sure thing, BathHouse Boy. >> You and harry are either total alcoholics or you are even more stupid >> than I figured. Maybe both. Don, you should get your head out of harry >> a.s. Maybe some fresh air will save what few brain cells you still have >> living. > > Sure thing, BathHouse Boy. I see you are libeling people again. Still a drunk? Seems as if your son's know your well. Give you beer for special occasions. Drunk, in a pink Rav4. Sad. Looks like they tossed you out of the Crown Corporation for drinking on the job. >>> You and harry are either total alcoholics or you are even more stupid >>> than I figured. Maybe both. Don, you should get your head out of harry [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Rav4. Sad. Looks like they tossed you out of the Crown Corporation for >drinking on the job. Let me guess, Christian? >>>> You and harry are either total alcoholics or you are even more stupid >>>> than I figured. Maybe both. Don, you should get your head out of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Let me guess, Christian? Nope, Bill. Hans Anderson was Christian in his middle name. > I'm starting if he's ever alcohol (or drug) free. > Certainly has some serious problems going on. When you sober up, can you translate this for us? SignatureReginald P. Smithers III, Esq. This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects >> I'm starting if he's ever alcohol (or drug) free. >> Certainly has some serious problems going on. > > When you sober up, can you translate this for us? He IS sober, he's just stupid! He has to be sober, his son drinks all of his beer! >I must have been thinking of some other over-priced replacement car part. >Although not oem you can get the whole kit for under $150. > >http://www.automotix.net/bodyparts/2008-buick-lucerne-tools_garage-tpms409s.html That looks like an aftermarket kit. Probably better than the factory installed, which infects your dash display. Looks like you can just toss this thing when it breaks, display and all. Then you won't have a dead spot on the dash or flashing lights there. I'm with Eisboch on the KISS. The more doodads to fix, the less I like it. >Car software problems. I have the two Lucernes, '07 and '08. On occasion >either one of them will lock the doors when you exit the vehicle. When it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >It's a problem for me as we leave the keys in the car when they are parked >at home. I now carry a spare in my pocket. Sometimes this lock/unlock stuff is a short/grounding/intermittant connection problem. I had it on my '97 Lumina, but only with the ignition on. My kid found miswiring and bad connections in alarm/remote locking system. He's done a lot of those. Who knows what a mech would have cost. I've got a '93 Grand Am my daughter used until she got something else. She got locked out twice, key in ignition, but not running, when it locked of it's own accord. I won't close the door with the key inside. Have to put "spare key" on my todo list. Here's some of the issues/problems. 1. Manual locks are you friend. Good luck finding them. 2. Electric locks independent of the car computer can still malfunction due to wiring/shorts. The Grand Am has independent locks, not tied to the ignition, with its own fused circuit. Tracking down the problem is straight forward. I just don't want to do it yet. 3. The Lumina auto-locks when the engine is started, but it's the alarm system doing that, so again it was straight forward troubleshooting it. It's only tied to the ignition through the alarm system. 4. Then we have your cars. Let's call them Christine and Christina. The locks are controlled by the girls' hormone influenced brains. GM started controlling locks with the computer in about 2002. And it might not be software, but intermittent ECU circuitry glitches. That's nearly always indicated if temp makes a difference in rate of occurrence. KISS would not allow this. KISS would keep systems discrete and avoid complexity for complexity's sake. GM would have located the problem and fixed it. Well, they would have located it. Given GM's rep for customer satisfaction, maybe you would pay. Reminds me many arguments I had with some system designers and programmer. Those that liked complexity and massive modules that could do everything. They considered it "elegant." I considered it Christine. I liked breaking a system up into independent modules and job streams, so a problem could be quickly located, identified and fixed. And modified or added too with no pain. That philosophy worked very well for me, and everybody who paid me agreed. Since I'm retired and IT has passed me by I won't argue that anymore. But DAMMIT, I WANT MANUAL LOCKS AND ROLL UP WINDOWS! --Vic >>I must have been thinking of some other over-priced replacement car part. >>Although not oem you can get the whole kit for under $150. [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > --Vic Funny you should say that about manual windows/locks. That's all I ever had...up till 3 months ago when I bought the 'base' RAV4. Someone at Toyota Canada must have thought they were offering good value by including a lot of things that weren't usually on the base model at a lower price than 2008 models. The lowest model up here is 4 wheel drive (on demand or can be locked in under 40 kph) Power locks, windows & mirrors. Defrosters on windshield re wiper blades, rear window & heated outside mirrors. Radio/CD/MP3 player & the larger 17" fancy wheels (not plain steel with discs) There are even some silly things like a light that comes on in both sunvisors when you slide the little mirror door back. Probably a number of ther little things that I haven't used yet. Anyway, a reasonably turned out 'base' vehicle...except I'd rather the manual windows & door locks. >>>> Bummer..... I just thought of something... it may be worth the >>>> nitrogen to protect those TMPS sensors... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Eisboch http://www.tireindustry.org/features/TPMS.asp SignatureForté Agent 5.00 Build 1171 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm > http://www.tireindustry.org/features/TPMS.asp My daughter just paid big bucks to pass the MA safety inspection because one of her tire pressure sensors was bad and showed up as a error code in her soccer mom, Chrysler mini-van. (I call it her Egg-Mobile). The MA state inspection is notoriously tough. Everything that the vehicle was equipped with from the factory must work. If you have a car with a fancier trim that includes additional lights, side markers or reflectors and one doesn't work or is broken, it flunks, even though the same exact vehicle in more vanilla form that doesn't have the extra lights, etc. will pass. They did, however, get rid of emissions testing by running the car on a dynamometer and measuring the exhaust gases. Now they just plug into the car's computer and look for any error codes. Cars built before 2005 are now exempt from emissions testing. This really pissed off a bunch of state authorized and licensed inspection stations who paid big bucks for the installation of dynamometers in their inspection bays. They are now tearing them out. Eisboch > The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. > Is it worth it? Thoughts? > -- > John H The COSTCO store here filled your tires for free. Thay claim you don't lose air pressure during climate changes. (fall-winter etc) > > The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. > > Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The COSTCO store here filled your tires for free. Thay claim you don't lose > air pressure during climate changes. (fall-winter etc) Well Don, that's what they may claim. But around here, in the late fall, it seems that when a cold frost hits over night, you can pretty well expect tires to lose about 10# of pressure a piece. >> > The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >> > Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >fall, it seems that when a cold frost hits over night, you can pretty >well expect tires to lose about 10# of pressure a piece. I don't know about ten pounds, but certainly three or four. >>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I don't know about ten pounds, but certainly three or four. Don't you have those "never lose pressure" etec tires? >>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don't you have those "never lose pressure" etec tires? Wow, a post by Harry, who'd a thought? Trying my new digs, gonna' lose Google for good.. After all, it's the Anti-Christ according to Tom;) Anyway, good seeing you again Harry, <PLONK>. Buh, bye... >>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Anyway, good seeing you again Harry, <PLONK>. Buh, bye... What made you choose eternal september? >>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for >>>>>>> $30. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > What made you choose eternal september? It's free... > >>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. > >>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Harry's vying for Don as the dumbest poster ever. >> >>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >> >>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Harry's vying for Don as the dumbest poster ever. Naw, he's just pullin' a chain. But, Tom's got more sense than to bite on it. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free!" --Anonymous > >> > The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. > >> > Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I don't know about ten pounds, but certainly three or four. Around here, i can be 6-12. Or in my experience it has been. >>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Around here, i can be 6-12. Or in my experience it has been. Don't you have a set of down-filled jackets for those tires? :>) >>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I don't know about ten pounds, but certainly three or four. Charles's law associated with Boyle's law >Well Don, that's what they may claim. But around here, in the late >fall, it seems that when a cold frost hits over night, you can pretty >well expect tires to lose about 10# of pressure a piece. If the temperature drops the pressure will to an equal degree. Sprint car wheels have a valve that releases air as the tires heat up, to keep the pressure constant. When you park it, things cool, and all the tires go flat. Casady > > The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. > > Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The COSTCO store here filled your tires for free. Thay claim you don't lose > air pressure during climate changes. (fall-winter etc) If you believe that, you're just plain stupid. >> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >The COSTCO store here filled your tires for free. Thay claim you don't lose >air pressure during climate changes. (fall-winter etc) They didn't fill my tires. Don't you be making up lies about my tires. Enough is enough. Talk about owls down by the stream or something. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free!" --Anonymous >>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > John H Sorry...if you weren't such a cheapskate, and actually bought quality tires there, they'd take care of you. >>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Sorry...if you weren't such a cheapskate, and actually bought quality tires >there, they'd take care of you. You got me. I don't buy *any* tires at Costco. I don't like seconds. Is there something wrong with the Michelin Cross Terrains on my 4Runner? I'm sure they're not as good as the Uniroyal Tiger Paw GTS's you've got on that pink RAV4. As usual, I appreciate your advice and friendly attitude. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous >>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > John H Huh? I have 17" Toyo A20 Open Country tires on my SUV. >>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Huh? >I have 17" Toyo A20 Open Country tires on my SUV. Spectacular tires! Although you may want to be a little careful in the snow: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=280744 -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous >>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for >>>>>>> $30. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > -- > John H I'll probably dig into the piggybank for a grand and put new snow tires & plain steel wheels on all four corners. >>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for >>>>>>>> $30. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > I'll probably dig into the piggybank for a grand and put new snow tires & > plain steel wheels on all four corners. I should add...for the November-March time period. Hopefully, tires should last 4-5 years. >>>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for >>>>>>>>> $30. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >I should add...for the November-March time period. >Hopefully, tires should last 4-5 years. Sounds like a plan. You might consider these: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Fortera+Trip leTred I had Forteras on my pickup. Loved them. And, they shouldn't set you back a grand. Well, maybe 'cause you're in Canada. Couldn't you drive into God's country and get them? Surely the Canadian customs don't keep track of the kind of tires you leave the country with. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous On Jul 3, 3:09 pm, John...same as yesterday. <salmonb...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:22:24 -0300, "Don White" > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I will tell you, in my opinion the worst truck tire in the world is Goodyear Wranglers. When I bought my Jeep new, it had them on. Couldn't wait until they got old so I could get them off. You could balance and rotate them damned things every week and they'd still ride rough. Bought my new truck, guess what tires it has on it? Yep, and the same thing. Everyone I've talked to that has owned them said they'd never buy them again. >On Jul 3, 3:09 pm, John...same as yesterday. <salmonb...@gmail.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >the same thing. Everyone I've talked to that has owned them said >they'd never buy them again. I'd never have a set of Wranglers. Look at the warranty for Wranglers. When I bought my Forteras for the truck, Goodyear didn't give a warranty for the Wranglers. That should tell folks something right there. I think Wranglers must seem like a macho man's tire to some. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous >>>>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for >>>>>>>> $30. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >I'll probably dig into the piggybank for a grand and put new snow tires & >plain steel wheels on all four corners. >>>>>> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >>>>>> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Huh? > I have 17" Toyo A20 Open Country tires on my SUV. Great, but he was asking about the pink RAV4. >> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. >> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The COSTCO store here filled your tires for free. Thay claim you don't > lose air pressure during climate changes. (fall-winter etc) Just noticed the large sign on a well known tire dealer within walking distance of my home. They say they will show you how you can save money with nitrogen in your tires. I'm sure it's about gas savings with properly inflated tires...but I might drop in next week and hear their argument. > >> The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. > >> Is it worth it? Thoughts? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I'm sure it's about gas savings with properly inflated tires...but I might > drop in next week and hear their argument. Bullshit. Pressure is pressure. > The local Toyota place will fill all the tires with nitrogen for $30. > Is it worth it? Thoughts? No. All it does is get you to come back to the dealer to get your tires checked and refilled with nitrogen and for them to talk you into getting an oil and lube jobs and tire rotation. |
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