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Boat Forum / Building / August 2006looking for a sailboat to build
Hi, I am considering building a sailboat, and looking for some advice on what to build. I am looking for something: - That is easy to build. (stitch-n-glue??) - Big enough for 4-5 people to sleep, - Good enough to sail through The Aegean Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aegean_Sea_map.png) Maybe you can suggest me what else to consider..? I visited websites of people building Vegabond with stitch-n-glue (www.bateau.com). As, I have experience with buildind R/C Planes and the building process looked similiar, which makes me feel comfortable with it. But I feel like I need a bigger boat, maybe 10m. Could you recommend a resource which compares different building techniques. The ultimate question is "Which boat to build ?" ;) Thanks, Mustafa > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Maybe you can suggest me what else to consider..? You could check out Richard Woods' designs: http://www.sailingcatamarans.com/ 4-5 people to sleep and easy to build, maybe Surfsong or rather the bigger Windsong. Neither will offer sumptous comfort. If that's what you want you need to go bigger which means more money and time. My own boat is more of a racer and too small but it could be of interest to study its web (and the links): http://hem.bredband.net/b262106/index.html -- Martin Schöön <martin.schoon@gmail.com> "Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back" Piet Hein Piet, The bigger the boat the less likely it will get finished... 30 foot is a big boat and a major project in both time and money... Talk to folks who have built a boat this large before starting... Go into it with your eyes wide open... The plywood and the fiberglass is only a small part of the total cost... I just finished two 8 foot dingies in stitch and glue, and while it took only a few months of my spare time (all my spare time and then some) it was a major job... I am right on the verge of starting on my retirement boat, a power cat... It is planned to take one year, 4 to 6 full time hired workers, and a quarter million USD to complete... denny I definetly have no quarter million USD. :) I want to focus on finishing the boat. So I am ready to make some trade-offs. How about these boats, Robert 25: http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/HTML/descriptions/Roberts25_description.htm and Glen-L 25: http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=447 Mustafa > I definetly have no quarter million USD. :) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Glen-L 25: > http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=447 My impression is that the Robert 25 will be a far more time consuming boat to build than the Glen-L 25 or the cats by Richard Woods that I mentioned earlier. What sailing experience do you have? What boat building resources (shed, workshop, tools...) are available to you? Regarding cost: Building materials for hull(s) does not cost much. What really ads to the bill are sails, rig and hardware. If you are not into high-performance sailing you get away with much simpler and cheaper stuff even on the cats. It is those tall sail plans and the weight saving efforts that drive cost. I have no experience of either the Surfsong or the Windsong designs but I have sailed a little on a Strider which is similar in weight and slightly smaller than my boat but it is a cruiser with no particular speed ambitions and it is a relief of sorts to see the size of the blocks etc. Hmm, maybe you should try out one of Richard Woods smaller cats even though they are too small for 4-5. (This is true for the two 25-foot monos above as well. Sure, they have four bunks but don't cram in four persons there hoping for any type of comfort.)  SignatureMartin Schöön "Problems worthy of attack show their worth by hitting back." Piet Hein I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have most of the building resources. Including your web-site, I searched for other people building cats.. It makes sense.. it seems to be easier. I am looking for a cruiser not fast a performance boat: Something simple, relatively cheap. A basic cat might be the way to go.. > I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have > most of the building resources. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I am looking for a cruiser not fast a performance boat: Something > simple, relatively cheap. A basic cat might be the way to go.. I think so and apart form simpler shapes than most monos you also have smaller parts to move to the coast if your building location is not at the coast. And although I agree that looking for a second hand boat is a good idea if you want a boat and building it isn't important, I must point out that sailing a boat you have built yourself is rewarding in a way no bought boat can ever come close to. :-) Good luck and welcome to sailing, SignatureMartin Schöön "Problems worthy of attack show their worth by hitting back." Piet Hein >> I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have >> most of the building resources. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Good luck and welcome to sailing, Something to consider guys... Not too many blue water sailors agree that Cat's and Tri's are worthy ocean going vessels.. No one will deny their speed and draft advantages, but stability is in question, as well as longevity, due primarily to the high stress levels encountered with cross seas and swell.. Believe me, the deep ocean can be most unforgiving when you least desire or expect! If your main purpose is coastal sailing, or island hopping, then perhaps a Cat is a good idea, otherwise I'd reconsider.. Diana > >> I have little saling experince, getting training recently. But I have > >> most of the building resources. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > If your main purpose is coastal sailing, or island hopping, then perhaps a > Cat is a good idea, otherwise I'd reconsider.. Above all you need to reconsider your multihull knowledge. Go visit Joe Siudzinski's web for instance. Joe and his wife has lived on their cat for six years - blue-water cruising. http://www.katiekat.net/ Or take the Pearces who moved from London to Sydney sailing there on their cat. http://www.john-shuttleworth.com/Images/Zazen-biscay-trip-thumbs.html Or take the French family I met in Gothenburg, Sweden many years ago. They had sailed from Bordeaux to join an International Multihull Meeting. Not a big distance in their view. They had been to Norway two years earlier and in 1988 the father of the family had raced the boat across the Atlantic. His wife and two sons joined him in the US and they cruised New England for a few weeks. Then father and older son sailed back across the North Atlantic. Quite a summer cruise, twice across the North Atlantic. When I met them in 1991 the younger boy was not yet a teenager. http://hem.bredband.net/mschoon/1991_Ockero_Gothenburg_Sweden/slides/IMM91_10.html I know of one Australian sailor who claim he refuses to sail on monos further from shore than he can swim. That's is pretty extreme in my mind but you are playing in the same league. The two cats I have mentioned are proven designs and Richard Woods himself is an experienced blue-water cruiser and racer. A well-designed cruising multihull is all about safety and comfort. Speed is defenitely secondary in this case. -- Martin Schöön <martin.schoon@gmail.com> "Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back" Piet Hein Dr. Di skrev: > Something to consider guys... Not too many blue water sailors agree that > Cat's and Tri's are worthy ocean going vessels.. No one will deny their That is probably because most "blue water sailors" have no experience with them. > speed and draft advantages, but stability is in question, as well as > longevity, due primarily to the high stress levels encountered with cross > seas and swell.. Believe me, the deep ocean can be most unforgiving when > you least desire or expect! You are a troll, aren't you? Anyway, I'll feed you... Please present some documentation of actual problems instead of hearsay. What is the proportion of capzised/wrecked multis (not racing!) compared to sunk/wrecked monoholls? Richard Woods (www.sailingcatamarans.com) abandoned his 10m cat in a storm earlier this year. 10 weeks later, it was still upright. He has published his story on his website. > If your main purpose is coastal sailing, or island hopping, then perhaps a > Cat is a good idea, otherwise I'd reconsider.. If you read the OP, you would see a mention of the Aegaean. That indicates coastal/island hopping to me... /Martin > Hi, > > I am considering building a sailboat, > and looking for some advice on what to build. Mustafa- The important question to answer is: "Do you want a boat, or do you want to build a boat?" If you want a boat, it will be cheaper and a lot quicker to buy a used boat, even one that needs some work. If you want to build a boat, pick one that you will be happy to look at for years as you work on it! For a 10m boat, working part-time but with no shortage of money, you will be looking at launching in 2011? It's a lot of work, and a lot of fun building, but a slow way to get on the water. (I know this from experience.) Cheers John > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks, > Mustafa Hi: So why build when there are lots of good old boats out there? (Please forgive me father for I have sinned) I suggest a SCOW. Basically a shoe box barge looking hull. Thumb through H.I. Chappell's book, American Small Sailing Craft. There are several scow types al under 35 feet. My favorit was a lee board sailing scow. Fast sailing, fast and cheep to build design. Google: texas gulf sailing scow or for a full-on BIg Boy version search for Scow Schooner Alma. Now that is a thing of beauty! Bob Well I am not experienced enough to discuss cats or mono; may be some years from now I'll be... For now sailing is what matters for me.. What Martin said : "I must point out that sailing a boat you have built yourself is rewarding in a way no bought boat can ever come close to. " makes a lot of sense for me.. I -kind of know- how that feeling is, and its worth it.. Recently, I've been doing some research here in Turkey. I found some local people who supply kits, or if you come with the plans they cut the parts for you with CNS machines. This will make things simpler for me.. Thanks, Mustafa > > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Bob Well I am not experienced enough to discuss cats or mono; may be some years from now I'll be... For now sailing is what matters for me.. What Martin said : "I must point out that sailing a boat you have built yourself is rewarding in a way no bought boat can ever come close to. " makes a lot of sense for me.. I -kind of know- how that feeling is, and its worth it.. Recently, I've been doing some research here in Turkey. I found some local people who supply kits, or if you come with the plans they cut the parts for you with CNS machines. This will make things simpler for me.. Thanks, Mustafa > > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Bob |
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