RE: Subject
If you want it to survive, as well as be safe, forget electric, go
hydraulic.
Lew
CS - 18 Nov 2006 00:42 GMT
> RE: Subject
>
> If you want it to survive, as well as be safe, forget electric, go
> hydraulic.
>
> Lew
Thanks - but for variety of reasons hydraulic is ruled out.
> I am toying with the idea of driving a bow thruster with a 3 phase AC
> motor and wonder if any one else has any experience in this field.
I just finished composing one:
http://qatsi.ath.cx/cgi-bin/foto/438/53.jpg from
http://qatsi.ath.cx/cgi-bin/foto/414/45.jpg and
http://qatsi.ath.cx/cgi-bin/foto/408/76.jpg
The motor is 4kW 400 VAC 2845 rpm, the bowthruster is from a Vetus
95 kgf type, both bought second hand.
> I have a genset that is 1 and 3 phase and a sail drive leg already
> fitted with a 3 blade 12" kaplan prop - not exactly sure of pitch but
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> or 6 pole - so 1500 or 1000 rpm. I think that a 5.5 kw AC motor will
> have the same end effect as a 10/12HP engine.
5.5 kW is about 7.4 hp, is your friend satisfied with it?
> A reversing contactor is the easy part but my queries are:
> whether to have a braked motor or not and
I would prefer a time delay over a brake.
> whether to feed the 3 phase through an AC drive??
Is the most beautiful solution.
> I understand that an AC drive can incorporate a braking function, but I
> think using a drive may just overcomplicate it all.
If you or someone close is comfortable with a drive, well with a
joystick you have a very smooth control.
> I guess that when the motor is switched off, it will stop pretty
> quickly with the prop, so a braked motor may not be necessary.
Exactly and that is also why bowthruster suppliers have a time delay
option.
> The alternative is to use a DC 24v motor at 200-300A which will turn at
> 1440 rpm, so much the same power. Powered from battery and with
> dedicated battery charger. DC motor is quite expensive option.
> AC option will require me to start genset each time, DC option requires
> battery and charger. Plenty of other vessels have a small diesel engine
> driving BT, so starting genset is not an issue and I do not use the BT
> all the time - did not use it for 2 weeks bringing vessel back from
> Netherlands to UK along canals.
Best thing is do the math. My frequency controllor cost me a "thank
you", normally the most expensive part, hours on it say enough:
http://qatsi.ath.cx/cgi-bin/foto/438/44.jpg more pictures at
http://qatsi.ath.cx/cgi-bin/cath_pub?7 and other pages.
What happened with the Silette Sonic?

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Richard
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CS - 18 Nov 2006 19:53 GMT
> What happened with the Silette Sonic?
The Silette Sonic leg is installed - it is just deciding what to drive
it with.
Richard van den Berg - 18 Nov 2006 21:55 GMT
> The Silette Sonic leg is installed - it is just deciding what to drive
> it with.
Now it's clear for me.;-) All the best with your choice.

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