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What is best way to lay down 2 pieces of cloth over wood?

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rons515@localnet.com - 23 Jun 2008 15:04 GMT
Hi,
    This question is from a complete newbie and may be very dumb.
I have a piece of wood that I want to cover with  6 oz  cloth, using
epoxy with slow hardener.
    I have enough epoxy & cloth to cover it twice (actually 3 or 4
times.).
What is  the best way to do it?  Lay down the second while the first
is  still curing, or let the first layer cure completely and then put
down the second layer a few days/week  later?

    I'm just looking for the general theory on which way is best.  I
will practice on  a small test piece first.  Got lots of time.  Also
need to get some videos to learn actual methods & techniques.  (See
post above this one.)

    ron
Dan H - 23 Jun 2008 21:54 GMT
I would put one down and wet it out and then lay the second right away
and wet it out with lots less epoxy. You will find that laying down
the second layer will almost wet completely from the leftover epoxy
from the first layer.
Go here and read everything on this site twice and then begin. It
doesn't matter who's epoxy you use, the technique will all be the
same.

http://westsystem.com/
rons515@localnet.com - 24 Jun 2008 21:57 GMT
>I would put one down and wet it out and then lay the second right away
>and wet it out with lots less epoxy. You will find that laying down
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>
>http://westsystem.com/

Thanks,  Dan.  
     That's the way I decided to go, after reading your suggestion,
and reading a lot at  the website.
    I appreciate your help.
    I may just enjoy learning to fiberglass.  Its a whole new area
for me.

    ron
Jay Chan - 25 Jun 2008 18:04 GMT
On Jun 24, 4:57 pm, rons...@localnet.com wrote:
> >I would put one down and wet it out and then lay the second right away
> >and wet it out with lots less epoxy. You will find that laying down
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>      ron

I am not an expert in this area.

Don't forget to put a thin layer of epoxy over the last piece of
fiberglass before the epoxy in the fiberglass has completely cured.
This is to fill in all the texture of the fiberglass surface.  When
you need to apply the final fairing over the fiberglassed area, you
will need to sand the area to allow the fairing mixture to have a
better bonding with the cured epoxy.  If you hadn't filled in the
texture of the fiberglass surface, you would see a lot of tiny shiny
dots after you light sanded the area.  Those shiny areas need to be
roughed up in order to get a better bonding.  You would have to sand
heavily to remove those shiny dots.  I mention this because the
instruction from West System booklet (otherwise a great instruction)
only tells us how to do this but doesn't explain why we need to do
this.  Without understanding the "why", I easily forgot about doing
this in some areas that I have fiberglassed.  Now, I have told you
"why" you need to do this, please read the West System instruction
booklet to know exactly "how" to do this.

The other thing is that you may need to test the epoxy before using
it.  I used to have a bottle of epoxy resin that didn't cure days
after I had mixed it, and I had to throw it away (luckily I didn't use
it on my boat).  May be this had something to do with the fact that I
left the pump on the bottle instead of sealing the bottle with the
cap.  Regardless what caused this problem, the lessons are (1) do a
test batch before using the epoxy if we haven't used it for quite a
while; (2) cap the bottle at the end of the day.

Just to share some of my recent experience with you.  As of your
original question, I think you should put down the second layer of
fiberglass right after the first layer.  Then you can use less epoxy
and you don't need to sand between layers - save money and save time.

Jay Chan
rons515@localnet.com - 26 Jun 2008 12:56 GMT
>On Jun 24, 4:57 pm, rons...@localnet.com wrote:

(snip for brevity)
>>      ron
>
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>
>Jay Chan

Hi Jay,

    Thanks very much for the several suggestions and tips.  I'm
always grateful to learn practical hints & ideas from the actual
experiences of others.  They can be as useful as, (or more,)  than
the stuff on a dvd or in print.

    Thanks again.

         ron
mmc - 29 Jun 2008 17:24 GMT
> Hi,
>     This question is from a complete newbie and may be very dumb.
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>
>     ron
Be sure to use a respirator when working with epoxy and protect your skin.
MMC
 
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