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Boat Forum / Building / April 2004Sit On Top Plans now available
Greetings Builders, A fine day to build your own Sit On Top kayak isn't it? We're mighty proud of her as the VERY FIRST set of SOT kayak plans available. http://jem.e-boat.net/proddetail.php?prod=CFSOT16 This one is a big one: almost 16' long and 31" wide. She's made for stability and can carry a big load. Great for fishing. We'll follow up with 2 other versions: -14' and 28" wide -12" and 26" wide After that, some new styles of SOTs with different hull shapes. Thanks  SignatureMatt Langenfeld JEM Watercraft http://jem.e-boat.net/ This is beginning to sound like commercial advertising. On posts which contribute expertise or special insight on a problem, a tasteful trailer with a tag line and a web link is generally tolerated . An announcement of a hard-to-find item, like okoume ply in Oklahoma or 1/8" WRC veneer would be, too. Yet another tacky CAD rendering of an un-built, un-tested design we can live without. > Greetings Builders, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > JEM Watercraft > http://jem.e-boat.net/ The hull was built and tested as a sit-inside. Prototype SOT almost complete. Pictures soon. I beleive this is the first set of SOT plans available anywhere...that I'm aware of. Thanks > This is beginning to sound like commercial advertising. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yet another tacky CAD rendering of an un-built, un-tested design we can live > without. You know what, I gave it some thought. Perhaps I will stop announcing new plans. Maybe just refer to them if someone asks about a type of design I have. Appologies to those I've offended. Matt SignatureMatt Langenfeld JEM Watercraft http://jem.e-boat.net/ > This is beginning to sound like commercial advertising. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >>After that, some new styles of SOTs with different hull shapes. > You know what, I gave it some thought. Perhaps I will stop announcing > new plans. Maybe just refer to them if someone asks about a type of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Matt That's what I do. And if I do happen to have something that I feel fits the bill, unless it is a general question by various members of the group, I contact them off list. Scotty, from, well, er, um, ahhhh forget it, go build a boat... > > This is beginning to sound like commercial advertising. > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >> > >>After that, some new styles of SOTs with different hull shapes. > This is beginning to sound like commercial advertising. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yet another tacky CAD rendering of an un-built, un-tested design we can live > without. Amen. > > Greetings Builders, > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > JEM Watercraft > > http://jem.e-boat.net/ >This is beginning to sound like commercial advertising. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Yet another tacky CAD rendering of an un-built, un-tested design we can live >without. I disagree. Matt is a contributing participant in this newsgroup who frequently chips in comments and help on subjects that do not affect his business. If he wants to announce a new design his company is selling, that's great with me. I would be happy to read the occasional announcement from Steve Baker, Jacques Mertens, or any other plan producer who contributes to r.b.b. If someone wants to drop in to post spam and then disappear, I'm with Jim. - Rick Tyler -- "Ignorant voracity -- a wingless vulture -- can soar only into the depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian > I disagree. Matt is a contributing participant in this newsgroup who > frequently chips in comments and help on subjects that do not affect [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If someone wants to drop in to post spam and then disappear, I'm with > Jim. I am with you. Actually we went through this several months ago. There is nothing in the charter for this news group that prohibits commercial posts. It has become a custom here to limit it to anouncements by regular participants which Matt qualifies as. Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have lost a number of valuable resources in the past. I had hoped that we learn from experience. SignatureGlenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com and besides, if you buy one of my plans, you get naked pictures of various female celebrities and your private parts will grow by 3 inches! lol...sorry. Couldn't resist. SignatureMatt Langenfeld JEM Watercraft http://jem.e-boat.net/ >> I disagree. Matt is a contributing participant in this newsgroup who >> frequently chips in comments and help on subjects that do not affect [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > lost a number of valuable resources in the past. I had hoped that we > learn from experience. > and besides, > > if you buy one of my plans, you get naked pictures of various female > celebrities and your private parts will grow by 3 inches! is that homophobic? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned >> and besides, >> >> if you buy one of my plans, you get naked pictures of various female >> celebrities and your private parts will grow by 3 inches! > >is that homophobic? Not if you are female. Brian W On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:54:55 GMT, Brian Whatcott <betwys1@sbcglobal.net> vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!: remove ns from my header address to reply via email >>>your private parts will grow by 3 inches! >if you are female. Now that's....no... **************************************************** The Met Bureau is LOVE! > Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have > lost a number of valuable resources in the past. I had hoped that we > learn from experience. what this newsgroup lost were promoters who discouraged (and that's putting it mildly) discussion of alternatives. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned > > Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have > > lost a number of valuable resources in the past. I had hoped that we > > learn from experience. > > what this newsgroup lost were promoters who discouraged (and > that's putting it mildly) discussion of alternatives. Sorry to disagree but I know for certain that Kern Hendricks from System Three doesn't post anymnore because of the flaming. He provided valuable information about epoxy in general. The anti business attitude of some users results in the loss of good contributors. This has an historical base considering that the Usenet started as a tool to exchange information between universities, a place where free entreprise is not welcome and where capitalist ideas are censored. It's time to grow up, professionals can be a great asset to this group. Would you refuse advice from your doctor or lawyer because he charges for his services? The advice and information given here by professionals is free, it is only normal that they state who they are and what they sell. It is not a sin to be a boating professional! Jacques from bateau.com Jacques, I have greatly valued the contributions of you and Kern and others. Your professional qualifications add credibility to your generous advice, and you never let the your business interest become the primary message. I don't think that i've mentioned, much less promoted, my boatbuilding business here, and I won't. I begin to have a problem when someone's message is not one of knowledgeable help with a boatbuilding issue but instead touting a mundane product. I hope that you will continue to contribute your wisdom and I wish that Kern would return. We don't now have someone knowledgeable about epoxy or LPU finishes. Jim > > > Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have > > > lost a number of valuable resources in the past. I had hoped that we [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jacques from bateau.com > The advice and information given here by professionals is free, it is > only normal that they state who they are and what they sell. > It is not a sin to be a boating professional! the advice was not unbiased, quite the opposite. that Kern guy criticized anyone who used anything but epopxy, which he just happened to sell. I suspect a lot of people with something to sell now spend time on their own websites and don't participate in newsgroup discussions. With a website a person gets to display products in full colour all the time and can avoid any hint of disagreement. I prefer to spend my time in newsgroups where anyone can disagree with me and propose better alternatives, and because I don't have income from sales to put into a fancy website and write it off as a business expense. :) You are right about the Usenet. It was created by universities to promote learning through open discussion. Still does for those who really want to learn and not just impose their views and products on people. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned William Watt says: >With a >website a person gets to display products in full colour all the time and >can avoid any hint of disagreement. True, mostly. I use my website, and the gallery section at www.boatdesign.net (non-commercial hint) to show designs. The boatdesign forum is free, allows full colour pics, and has much more space available than my own website (still using AOHell's space, 2Mb limit) >and because I don't have income from sales to put into a >fancy website and write it off as a business expense. :) I wish I could deduct it as a business expense, but sadly it is also my personal space, and the write-off would be so small as to be un-noticable. Steve (sig on) Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer http://members.aol.com/SailDesign/private/scbweb/home.htm I'll just list "Commercial Announcement" in the subject line. That way people who don't want to read it can skip over it. Kinda like skipping the spam. > the advice was not unbiased, quite the opposite. that Kern guy criticized > anyone who used anything but epopxy, which he just happened to sell. Keep an open mind. What if he was right? > You are right about the Usenet. It was created by universities to promote > learning through open discussion. Still does for those who really want to > learn and not just impose their views and products on people. That's it: keep an open mind and don't discard somebody's opinion because he is a professional. All posts by Kern where technicaly correct. His style, like mine was maybe a little abrupt but that's because we want to get to the point quickly and clearly. Anyway, I'll stop here, we are OT and part of it is my fault. Jacques from bateau.com |
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