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to the hammer mechanics who think dry starts are fine

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JAXAshby - 27 Jun 2004 01:51 GMT
gene/rickie, take a look at the bearing that bears the legion (big words, I
know, but deal with it)

"Since oil is the medium used to separate the rotating shaft from the bearing,
without oil pressure (which can be as high as 6,000-8000 psi), the journal
rotating on the dry bearing melts and destroys the bearing."

then remember that an engine has NO pressure oil in the galleys upon startup
and not enough oil in the galleys -- unless the engine has been prelubed -- to
to even have pressure to *any* bearing for several seconds and *all* bearings
for upwards of thirty seconds.  Keep in mind that the oil pressure sender unit
is normally between the oil pump and the very first bearing needing pressure
oil (I know, big words, but deal with it)

http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.jsp?bodyPage=/support/publications/ke
yReprints/maintenance/moreAboutOil.html

like I said, dry start your engine if you wish, but only recommend other people
do so if your specific intent is to cause engine damage so you can have a good
supply of broken engines to overload the qualified mechanics (hammer mechanics
are NOT qualified)
Gene Kearns - 27 Jun 2004 02:49 GMT
>gene/rickie, take a look at the bearing that bears the legion (big words, I
>know, but deal with it)
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>supply of broken engines to overload the qualified mechanics (hammer mechanics
>are NOT qualified)

Gosh and Gee whillikers, I am S-o-o-o-o-o-o impressed!  Check out the
first sentence of the last paragraph of your quoted article........

"In summing up this brief supplemental bit of information about the
oil and your engine, remember that it was not intended as instruction
as detailed as the knowledge required of a mechanic. "

Now, since you have been a "professional mechanic" since you were just
out of diapers.... suppose you comment on the text contained in
Lycoming Service Instruction Number 1241C.... H-m-m-m-m-m????

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Larry W4CSC - 27 Jun 2004 21:09 GMT
> Now, since you have been a "professional mechanic" since you were just
> out of diapers.... suppose you comment on the text contained in
> Lycoming Service Instruction Number 1241C.... H-m-m-m-m-m????

I just looked in the bilge.....

Our boat has this greasy old Perkins 4-108 diesel tractor engine in
it....NOT a Lycoming air-cooled aircraft gas engine.....as is quoted.

Anybody got a Lycoming engine in their bilge??  Ain't that noisier than our
Perkins??

Larry....Shade tree mechanic since 1960!
Gene Kearns - 28 Jun 2004 14:25 GMT
>> Now, since you have been a "professional mechanic" since you were just
>> out of diapers.... suppose you comment on the text contained in
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Our boat has this greasy old Perkins 4-108 diesel tractor engine in
>it....NOT a Lycoming air-cooled aircraft gas engine.....as is quoted.

Wanna go first class?
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/index.asp?id=57336
JAXAshby - 28 Jun 2004 14:41 GMT
ah, gene, that engine was a ***turbine*** engine, not a recip as was under
discussion.

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>wrote:
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>Wanna go first class?
>http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/index.asp?id=57336
aptim - 28 Jun 2004 16:24 GMT
> > Now, since you have been a "professional mechanic" since you were just
> > out of diapers.... suppose you comment on the text contained in
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Anybody got a Lycoming engine in their bilge??  Ain't that noisier than our
> Perkins??

I don't know why anyone would put a Lycoming in there boat.  The Lycoming
engine is just a lot more money to start with.  It doesn't run on diesel or
jet A, but runs on 100LL which is about 3.50 a gallon.

                       Tim
Bruce  in Alaska - 29 Jun 2004 04:01 GMT
>  I don't know why anyone would put a Lycoming in there boat.  The Lycoming
> engine is just a lot more money to start with.  It doesn't run on diesel or
> jet A, but runs on 100LL which is about 3.50 a gallon.
>
>                         Tim

Oh contrair....Tim,   How would all those "Good Old boys" get around the
Swamps in "Glades" with out their Lycoming Powered Airboats?

Bruce in alaska
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Bruce  in Alaska - 29 Jun 2004 03:58 GMT
> > Now, since you have been a "professional mechanic" since you were just
> > out of diapers.... suppose you comment on the text contained in
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>
> Larry....Shade tree mechanic since 1960!

Dang Larry,  haven't you seen them really cool Airboats they use on them
Tv Shows about the "glades"?  Them is Lycoming engines in them boats,
Right?  We even have a few of those things zooming around up here in
alaska, on our rivers.

Bruce in alaska      who now turns off the southern drawl........
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Vito - 28 Jun 2004 13:36 GMT
> http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.jsp?bodyPage=/support/publications/ke
> yReprints/maintenance/moreAboutOil.html

A young woman brought her then near new Healey into the dealership leaking
oil everywhere - the front and rear seals. even pushing the dipstick up to
leak past it!! A quick exam showed the breather very carefully plugged with
an aircraft fitting! Asked how, she explained that her lover had done it for
her to keep oil from dripping from her air filter - a Healey problem so
common that the factory had promulgated a very simple five-minute fix.  I
did the job right and while handing her the fitting that'd caused her
problem I remarked that her friend must know very little about engines if he
was foolish enough to completely plug the crankcase breather.  She replied
inignantly "He knows a lot more than anybody in this shop - he's a licensed
aircraft mechanic! Works on Lycomings ..."
Gene Kearns - 28 Jun 2004 14:23 GMT
>> http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.jsp?bodyPage=/support/publications/ke
>> yReprints/maintenance/moreAboutOil.html
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>inignantly "He knows a lot more than anybody in this shop - he's a licensed
>aircraft mechanic! Works on Lycomings ..."

Interesting! A JAX sock puppet....  I never knew such a thing existed!
JAXAshby - 28 Jun 2004 14:39 GMT
gene, there is very little that you do know.

>>> http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.jsp?bodyPage=/support/publications/ke
>>> yReprints/maintenance/moreAboutOil.html
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Interesting! A JAX sock puppet....  I never knew such a thing existed!
JAXAshby - 28 Jun 2004 14:38 GMT
yup, so he plugged up the breather.  and used an expensive aircraft fitting to
do so.

btw, the quote attributed to me was from someone else.  but what the hey.

>> http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.jsp?bodyPage=/support/publications/ke
>> yReprints/maintenance/moreAboutOil.html
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>inignantly "He knows a lot more than anybody in this shop - he's a licensed
>aircraft mechanic! Works on Lycomings ..."
 
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