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Boat Forum / Cruising / August 2004Looking for answers, re: origins of terms
Can anyone point me to websites that discuss the origins of sailing vessel names? Specifically, I am looking for the origins of terms such as Sloop, Ketch, Schooner, Yawl, Bark, Frigate, Clipper, and actual sailing vessel names, and NOT nautical terms. - Those who complain about others not being "team players" are usually the ones who don't give up the ball. ----- << Can anyone point me to websites that discuss the origins of sailing vessel names? Specifically, I am looking for the origins of terms such as Sloop, Ketch, Schooner, Yawl, Bark, Frigate, Clipper, and actual sailing vessel names, and NOT nautical terms. You could try.. http://www.boat-links.com/boatlink.html >Can anyone point me to websites that discuss the origins >of sailing vessel names? > >Specifically, I am looking for the origins of terms such as >Sloop, Ketch, Schooner, Yawl, Bark, Frigate, Clipper, and >actual sailing vessel names, and NOT nautical terms. Ketch from middle English, fishing boat Sloop from Dutch sloep (ancient origin) Schooner Unknown origin Yawl - Low German jolle, Dutch jol (ancient origin) Bark also Barque Italian barca through Provencal, French, English "ship's boat" Frigate Italian fregata, French fregate (ancient origin) Clipper raked bows and masts compared to clipper (scissor) As you can see, the question is comparable with "What happened before the Big-Bang?" in that most boat names predate all modern languages. Brian Whatcott Altus OK >> Can anyone point me to websites that discuss the origins >> of sailing vessel names? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "What happened before the Big-Bang?" > in that most boat names predate all modern languages. Mr. Whatcott: May I inquire as to WHERE you found these references? I need to be able to document them so they can be found by anyone else looking for the same information, mucht the same way an academic research paper is documented. Just me saying "I heard it from someone on Usenet" isn't going to pass muster... I would really appreciate your sources for this information Thanks! --- - Those who complain about others not being "team players" are the same ones who never give up the ball. ----- I found most of them in the dictionary. Doug s/v Callista >>> Can anyone point me to websites that discuss the origins >>> of sailing vessel names? [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > are the same ones who never give up the ball. > ----- An etymological dictionary is the natural resource for handling this sort of question. American dictionaries tend to be weak in this aspect, and fortunately, THE English dictionary is strong. New Century is one of the stronger American references, and Oxford English dictionary is the English benchmark. For convenience, I looked the vessels up in Concise Oxford English dictionary (COD for short) because I am comfortable with it. Brian Whatcott Altus OK >>> Can anyone point me to websites that discuss the origins >>> of sailing vessel names? [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >are the same ones who never give up the ball. >----- |
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