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Boat Forum / Cruising / September 2005Amsoil dual oil filtration system
Has anyone used this system either with or without their Amsoil 15-40W marine diesel oil in a turbo diesel? I seek research, experience and opinions on the issue. Capt. Jeff Tamaroak <colwe003@tc.umn.edu> wrote in news:Us-dneBS-rNZPL7eRVn- oQ@comcast.com: > Has anyone used this system either with or without their Amsoil 15-40W > marine diesel oil in a turbo diesel? I seek research, experience and > opinions on the issue. > > Capt. Jeff I always ask the same question of every Amsoil thread.... Where is the REFINERY? Noone can find it, yet. Amsoil has a bottling plant...but WHERE'S THE REFINERY. Amsoil is owned by a slick ex-air force fighter pilot, an expert in the field of organic chemistry...no, wait....and expert in the field of MARKETING....that's better... Try to find his oil filter factory. It must be a big building, not the little warehouse behind their offices. Another repackaging scam? Diesel oil has oil company names on the can, like Shell Rotella T or Chevron Velo 400. Ask any trucker whos truck hasn't been overhauled just because there's 600,000 miles on the clock. Shell and Chevron refineries are easy to find. They're great big things! Yamalube, at $30/gallon at your dealer, is just Chevron TC-W3, by the way. Yamaha doesn't have a refinery, either...(c;  SignatureLarry > Where is the REFINERY? Can't speak for Amsoil - IIRC they make it from scratch vs extracting (refining) it from crude. In any event there are very few refineries making many many brands of oil, each one custom blended and refined for its seller. There is no Harley-Davidson Refinery for example - they instead had a refinery make up a very special additive package needed to deal with a unique problem affecting iron-cylinder "Shovelhead" and earlier engines. Took them 240 long-term dyno tests to find it. It was definately better than automobile oils *in that application*. Owners who didn't believe that overhauled their top ends anually and sometimes had valves stick open and hit pistons at idle. >> Where is the REFINERY? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > application*. Owners who didn't believe that overhauled their top ends > anually and sometimes had valves stick open and hit pistons at idle. Larry apparently is unfamiliar with modern manufacturing methods and practices. If you sell lawnmowers under a proprietary brand name, it doesn't mean you manufacture those lawnmowers in your own factory. You have many other choices, ranging from having another manufacturer simply label its products with your brand names to specifying that the manufacturer building something unique to your needs. The same is true in the petrochemical business: you can develop a unique product and contract with a refinery to produce it for you. I have no familiarity with Amsoil, but there is nothing preventing its owner from having a very specific product refined to sell under a proprietary label. Signature- - - George W. Bush, our hero! The Double Disaster: Katrina and Bush's pitiful response. > If you sell lawnmowers under a proprietary brand name, it doesn't mean > you manufacture those lawnmowers in your own factory. You have many > other choices, ranging from having another manufacturer simply label its > products with your brand names to specifying that the manufacturer > building something unique to your needs. My father retired from Roper Corp in Orangeburg, SC. They make Sears riding mowers......AS CHEAPLY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE..... Is that it? If someone else makes it cheaper, Sears will simply buy from them, just like all the other retailers....including Amsoil and any other pyramid marketing schemers. I don't think "AM-soil" being named like "AM-way" is a Freudian slip. Same pyramid marketing scheme, right? SignatureLarry >> If you sell lawnmowers under a proprietary brand name, it doesn't mean >> you manufacture those lawnmowers in your own factory. You have many [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > schemers. I don't think "AM-soil" being named like "AM-way" is a Freudian > slip. Same pyramid marketing scheme, right? You take one example from the past and make it a portmanteau it into a universal truth? Look, I'm not sticking up for Amsoil. I know zip about the company and its products. But a company doesn't have to have a factory to turn out good and sometimes unique products. Your analogy also falls apart on the price issue. A huge refinery might have the capability of turning out a better product at a cheaper price. There are many factors involved. I used to buy "special" oil for my Merc outboard in bulk, and paid no more for it than Brand X. So, the packaging made the difference. I don't know whether Amsoil engages in pyramid marketing schemes. I don't really care, either. Signature- - - George W. Bush, our hero! What happens when a tank of gas is more valuable than my car? > I don't know whether Amsoil engages in pyramid marketing schemes. I > don't really care, either. The scheme is on their website. Wanna be a slick dealer on your dock?...(c; SignatureLarry It is made in Superior Wisconsin. Boots Ams/Oil Dealer Harry Krause <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in news:3oo12lF6sp0lU1@individual.net: > If you sell lawnmowers under a proprietary brand name, it doesn't mean > you manufacture those lawnmowers in your own factory. You have many > other choices, ranging from having another manufacturer simply label its > products with your brand names to specifying that the manufacturer > building something unique to your needs. My father retired from Roper Corp in Orangeburg, SC. They make Sears riding mowers......AS CHEAPLY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE..... Is that it? If someone else makes it cheaper, Sears will simply buy from them, just like all the other retailers....including Amsoil and any other pyramid marketing schemers. I don't think "AM-soil" being named like "AM-way" is a Freudian slip. Same pyramid marketing scheme, right? -- Larry "Boots" <boots@dcwis.com> wrote in news:1127952346_31051@spool6- east.superfeed.net: > It is made in Superior Wisconsin. > Boots Ams/Oil Dealer All I can find about them in Superior is a building that has a bottling plant in it. ONE building. Oil refineries are great big places with towers and stink and fires. What's it made in, one quart at a time in a lab? Why does their website show some guy filling a 55 gallon drum BY HAND? How many can he do a day?? The Amsoil website lists their address as 2206 Winter St. Copied from their "Distribution Sites": Superior, WI 2206 Winter St Superior, WI 54880 --mailing address-- AMSOIL Building Superior, WI 54880 Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri 8am-4:30pm Thursday 8am-8:30pm Closed on Sat, Sun & statutory holidays 715-392-7101 FAX: 715-392-7252 superior@amsoil.com Mapquest shows 2206 Winter St, Superior WI as being right dead center in the middle of the railroad yard with lots of tracks crossing Winter St which crosses the railroad tracks, there. No place for a huge chemical plant, oil refinery and all those pipes. Their lack of a plant stinks worse than their oil....or whoever's oil it is.... Now, here's something even MORE curious. When I look for businesses on Winter St in Superior, WI, I get this AT THAT ADDRESS! Dolly Madison - More Info / Map 2206 Winter St, Superior, WI 54880 Category: Bakeries This data comes from: http://superior.areaconnect.com/restaurants/ The phone company lists 3 numbers for Amsoil in Superior. One is: 925 Tower Ave, which is in a block between Winter St and Broadway St. No place for an oil refinery in one city block downtown. This seems to be the location for the infamous "Amsoil Building". It's an office building. Do you think Dolly Madison lets them bottle it in the bakery and ship it from their train spur?! There are no other addresses on the phone company websites than Tower Avenue. Amsoil doesn't have a phone in their name over at Dolly Madison's bakery on Winter St in the railroad yard. Same sidestepped question.....WHERE'S THE REFINERY AND CHEMICAL PLANTS? All I'm asking for is the location, the address of this huge oil refinery. it's not in Superior, Wisconsin. If it were, I'm sure it would have a TELEPHONE and the Superior Chamber of Commerce would know where something that BIG was located.... SignatureLarry >Has anyone used this system either with or without their Amsoil 15-40W >marine diesel oil in a turbo diesel? I seek research, experience and >opinions on the issue. Superior filtering, per se, is a great thing. Re: Amsoil, I have never been able to find any information that even smacks of verifiable "research, experience [or] opinions on the issue". One filter, if changed frequently enough should be sufficient unless there is a tremendous amount of oil circulating in the engine per unit of time. Problem is, what filter.... I use Mobil 1 filters because they have a superior man-made element.... but you may have an application that they cannot provide. You may want to inquire in regards to available filters, rather than invest in more hardware... Signature_ ___c \ _| \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide <...snip...> > One filter, if changed frequently enough should be sufficient unless > there is a tremendous amount of oil circulating in the engine per unit > of time. <...snip...> If you buy diesel fuel outside the US, you can get some Really Bad Stuff. You can go through a large number of filters, approaching infinity. Having multiple filters of varying particle sizes can help in that situation. tom of the Sweetwater Sea ><...snip...> >> One filter, if changed frequently enough should be sufficient unless [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >infinity. Having multiple filters of varying particle sizes can help in >that situation. The best solution for that situation is to not use diesel fuel in the crankcase sump! Signature_ ___c \ _| \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide I am an Ams/Oil dealer. Here is where you can go to get all the Ans. you will need. AMS/OIL.com On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:08:18 -0500, Tom Shilson <tshilson@netalliance.com> wrote: >Gene Kearns wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:16:38 -0700, Tamaroak <colwe003@tc.umn.edu> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >infinity. Having multiple filters of varying particle sizes can help in >that situation. The best solution for that situation is to not use diesel fuel in the crankcase sump! -- _ ___c \ _| \_ __\_| oooo \_____ ~~~~|______________/ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
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