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cooling water question,..

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ray lunder - 29 Mar 2006 08:31 GMT
Trying to solve my water pump problem next.
Q: If I disconnect the output side of my water pump, should I be able
to blow air through it with my mouth and hear it come out the exhaust?
I think the water jacket might be plugged up somehow. It's a small
single cylinder diesel.
Rich Hampel - 29 Mar 2006 14:40 GMT
No, most water pumps are vane type impeller pumps. the vanes will block
the free passage of air.

I assume that this is a rdaw water cooled engine. When was the last
time you pickled your engine?  When you heat sea water above 145
degrees the carbonates (building blocks of rocks) will precipitate
(drop out) and form on the hot engine parts, especially the exhuast
manifold.  The carbonates are removed by 'pickling' using a boiler
descaling compound (doesnt hurt the metal) or muriatic acid.  Such
descalers/acids are pumped through the raw water side and allowed to
dissolve the 'salts'.  Another possibility of cooling water blockage is
degradation of the cast iron casting, especially in the exnaust
manifold.  Cast iron when it cools in the mold when manufactured cools
and stratifies like an onion and when the internals start to corrode
corrosion attacks one layer of the 'onion' at a time which will give
off huge 'slabs' of rust. If the slabs are free they will migrate and
block (usually) the outlet side of the exhaust manifold. When you shut
down the slabs will usually fall to the bottom of the manifold and the
engine will 'act normal' until either a slab gets caught in the flow or
another breaks off and blocks the outlet.  Typically one has to remove
the manifold, turn it upside down, reach inside it with a stiff wire
and break up all the slabs, then shake them out.  A radiator repair
shop that has ultrasonic cleaning means will be able to better clean
out such a manifold.   To prevent slab rust, never store the engine
'dry'.  Always long term store the engine filled with an antifreeze
that has corrosion inhibitors in it.  Cast iron is a good material vs.
water.  Hot water will promote a 'good' from of rust (black/blue) which
is ferrous oxide - a 'blueing'.  Cold water and or especially letting
the cast iron dry out will promote 'bad' destructive rust (red/brown)
ferric oxide.

Hope this helps.

> Trying to solve my water pump problem next.
> Q: If I disconnect the output side of my water pump, should I be able
> to blow air through it with my mouth and hear it come out the exhaust?
> I think the water jacket might be plugged up somehow. It's a small
> single cylinder diesel.
ray lunder - 30 Mar 2006 10:52 GMT
>No, most water pumps are vane type impeller pumps. the vanes will block
>the free passage of air.

Whoops, I should have stated I had disconnected the pump and was
testing the output line into the block. More below.

>I assume that this is a rdaw water cooled engine. When was the last
>time you pickled your engine?  When you heat sea water above 145
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>
>Hope this helps.

That is great info. scary, but great. The boat was abandoned and left
for maybe 4 years without any layup so,..
How do you flush the water jacket? I read if water gets pushed back
through the exhaust, as with a huge following sea, it can ruin the
engine somehow even with anti-siphon lines etc. I wouldn't want to
inadvertently do that by improper flushing.
So, there is a drain cock underneath the head (horizontal one
cylinder) which is meant to be opened to drain the water jacket during
cold weather layup. The thermostat housing is at the top of the
engine. Do I remove the thermostat housing which would disconnect the
thermostat outlet to the exhaust elbow so nothing goes down there and
then remove the thermostat and fill the top of the engine there with
muriatic acid from the hardware store, leave it overnight and drain it
out the petcock at the bottom and flush with fresh water?
Today (52F, winds LV, seas 1-3 feet, visibility 200 miles) I cleaned
out the h20 intake lines and T-fittings (totally occluded) and did a
labor rebuild on the thermostat. Everything I can see looks great now.
When I pulled off the lines one of them dumped a half gallon of very
clean saltwater, no visible rust or oil neatly into my plastic bucket.
I pulled the wet exhaust thing, which was laying in the bilge on it's
side and the pipe to the exhaust elbow and there's hardly any carbon
and no chunks. Thank you for your response.

>> Trying to solve my water pump problem next.
>> Q: If I disconnect the output side of my water pump, should I be able
>> to blow air through it with my mouth and hear it come out the exhaust?
>> I think the water jacket might be plugged up somehow. It's a small
>> single cylinder diesel.
 
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