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salty@dog.com - 02 Jul 2008 19:55 GMT
The details of this should be interesting:

http://www.wfsb.com/news/16770782/detail.html
salty@dog.com - 02 Jul 2008 20:04 GMT
>The details of this should be interesting:
>
>http://www.wfsb.com/news/16770782/detail.html

Conditions: seas calm, visibility 200 yards, fog

http://snap.turnto10.com/snap/media_view/1312/
Jonathan Ganz - 02 Jul 2008 20:32 GMT
>>The details of this should be interesting:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>http://snap.turnto10.com/snap/media_view/1312/

Someone's in deep poo...
richforman - 02 Jul 2008 21:13 GMT
On Jul 2, 2:55 pm, sa...@dog.com wrote:
> The details of this should be interesting:
>
> http://www.wfsb.com/news/16770782/detail.html

Unless I'm missing something that's a very short news story with no
info on what happened to the passengers or anything else?

I am taking a ferry to Block Island tomorrow, not that one, the one
from Montauk.  It is a change of plans, my wife and I are going to
block for a four-day trip to celebrate our 5th anniversary, the plan
all along was to ride my WaveRunner (I have ridden to Block from the
Peconic Bay many times, have never taken a ferry over; have also taken
my wife on a number of memorable overnight trips on the pwc, always a
very enjoyable adventure).  But as of yesterday looking at the weather
and marine forecasts, I could see that it is most likely going to be
too rough and windy to make the crossing over Block Island Sound
riding 2-up; if I were riding solo I could probably hack it although
it might not be much fun, but my wife would be scared and freaking out
for sure.  (Last time I rode over with two friends of mine a couple
weekends back, it was flat calm the whole day, just beautiful, we took
the outside route from Shinnecock inlet to Montauk point.) I came up
with the idea that maybe I would buy her a ticket on the ferry, ride
to Montauk Harbor from the launch in Jamesport and drop her off there,
make the crossing myself and meet her over there, then I just said to
hell with it, I'll do without the jetski adventure this time and just
buy round-trip ferry tickets for both of us and drive to Montauk in
the morning, bail on the original plan for a nautical adventure.  It's
pretty disappointing for me, going over on the ferry like normal sane
people, but I know I'm letting common-sense prevail and there will be
plenty of other riding days still to come this summer.  Looking
forward to exploring the island, we love hiking and beaching and the
rest of it, although it looks like we might get mostly crappy weather
too.  Ah well, still better than going to work.

richforman
Jonathan Ganz - 02 Jul 2008 21:42 GMT
>On Jul 2, 2:55 pm, sa...@dog.com wrote:
>> The details of this should be interesting:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Unless I'm missing something that's a very short news story with no
>info on what happened to the passengers or anything else?

I think the point is that you're supposed to avoid the collision pretty much no matter what.

>I am taking a ferry to Block Island tomorrow, not that one, the one
>from Montauk.  It is a change of plans, my wife and I are going to
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>rest of it, although it looks like we might get mostly crappy weather
>too.  Ah well, still better than going to work.

Sounds like a nice day!
salty@dog.com - 02 Jul 2008 22:56 GMT
>On Jul 2, 2:55 pm, sa...@dog.com wrote:
>> The details of this should be interesting:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Unless I'm missing something that's a very short news story with no
>info on what happened to the passengers or anything else?

Passengers are all okay. The Ferry has a big dent, and the Morro has negligible
damage. The Morro spent many years in the Great Lakes and St. L Seaway as an
icebreaker, capable of dealing with and breaking 30 inch ice. One strong boat.
How the Ferry and the Morro Bay could have collided will be quite a story as it
unfolds. We are talking two vessels with massive amounts of expertise operating
in these waters. I imagine there will be some "retirements" as a result of this.
More than one person really screwed up badly for this to have hapened.
Wilbur Hubbard - 03 Jul 2008 01:08 GMT
>>On Jul 2, 2:55 pm, sa...@dog.com wrote:
>>> The details of this should be interesting:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> this.
> More than one person really screwed up badly for this to have hapened.

Since when has otnbrd been at the helm of a ferry? I thought he was a pilot
boat driver.

Wilbur Hubbard
otnmbrd - 03 Jul 2008 03:46 GMT
<EG> You must be hard up for responses, neal......
First off, it's "otnmbrd"
Secondly, I was Capt. of a number of ferries in N.E. waters in my yoot.

> Since when has otnbrd been at the helm of a ferry? I thought he was a
> pilot boat driver.
>
> Wilbur Hubbard
Wilbur Hubbard - 04 Jul 2008 03:14 GMT
> <EG> You must be hard up for responses, neal......
> First off, it's "otnmbrd"
> Secondly, I was Capt. of a number of ferries in N.E. waters in my yoot.

Sorry for the typo, otnmbrd. What does that stand for anyway? Sounds sorta
like an Australian chicken or some such.

Your yoot! Hah ha! You must be from Brooklyn!  Hope you're doing well and
still at the helm of something. You are a real seaman. I bet you wouldn't
accept a helicopter rescue off an only slightly compromised vessel like the
skipper of the prematurely scuttled "Red Cloud"  in the face of a little ole
Gulf of Mexico cold front with 45knot winds and maybe a few 20-foot seas now
would you?

(I can almost hear your answer - something like "without being there to
experience everything myself, I would not be able to proffer an opinion that
had any merit" or some such lame cop out to keep from expressing an
opinion.)

Wilbur Hubbard
salty@dog.com - 04 Jul 2008 13:43 GMT
>> <EG> You must be hard up for responses, neal......
>> First off, it's "otnmbrd"
>> Secondly, I was Capt. of a number of ferries in N.E. waters in my yoot.
>
>Sorry for the typo, otnmbrd. What does that stand for anyway? Sounds sorta
>like an Australian chicken or some such.

He's outnumbered
otnmbrd - 04 Jul 2008 16:17 GMT
>> <EG> You must be hard up for responses, neal......
>> First off, it's "otnmbrd"
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Sorry for the typo, otnmbrd. What does that stand for anyway? Sounds
> sorta like an Australian chicken or some such.

It's my license plate. When I got it originally (20+ yrs ago), my family
consisted of wife, 2 daughters, 1 mare, 4 female dogs, 3 female cats.....
I was the sole Male. Things change, but I can easily find something to
relate it to. Now the plates are on a Saleen 281SC Mustang which may be
outnumbered by all the GT's but never outrun.

> Your yoot! Hah ha! You must be from Brooklyn!  Hope you're doing well
> and still at the helm of something. You are a real seaman. I bet you
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> opinion that had any merit" or some such lame cop out to keep from
> expressing an opinion.)

<BG> Didn't need my answer...you all ready had it!!

otn
FoolKiller - 05 Jul 2008 01:49 GMT
>> <EG> You must be hard up for responses, neal......
>> First off, it's "otnmbrd"
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>Wilbur Hubbard

As opposed to never having been there and experienced it but more then
willing to offer an opinion on it.

Or, to paraphrase the country & western song:

The biggest fool to ever hit the Internet
and all he has to do is act naturally.

A fool who knows his foolishness is wise
at least to that extent, but a fool who
thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.
Larry - 03 Jul 2008 00:22 GMT
richforman <rforman61@msn.com> wrote in news:cdda3c5c-2d35-4ae0-affa-
1bb884d1c823@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> I came up
> with the idea that maybe I would buy her a ticket on the ferry, ride
> to Montauk Harbor from the launch in Jamesport and drop her off there,
> make the crossing myself and meet her over there

Never allow your women to travel alone on any kind of boat!  BAD PLAN!

Something about the sea, even just crossing the river, causes them to start
dreaming and LOOKING FOR A MATE!  If they can't see you, they're powerless
to control the deluge of hormones a boat motion causes and they latch onto
some sailor or other mating male the hormonal deluge has caused them to be
excited by.

NEVER allow your women to travel without your constant supervision on a
boat!

This phenomenon has made several cruise lines amazingly rich....

Don't let her ride on some OTHER male's jetski with him either!  Way too
much risk....already wrapped around "him"!  Sheer lunacy!  You wouldn't let
her wrap around "him" in his cabin would you?....OF COURSE NOT!

It's why the Beachmaster agressively attacks other sea lion males near his
harem!
richforman - 08 Jul 2008 16:26 GMT
> richforman<rforma...@msn.com> wrote in news:cdda3c5c-2d35-4ae0-affa-
> 1bb884d1c...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > I came up with the idea that maybe I would buy her a ticket on the > > ferry, ride to Montauk Harbor from the launch in Jamesport and
> > drop her off there, make the crossing myself and meet her over
> > there

> Never allow your women to travel alone on any kind of
> boat!  BAD PLAN!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> NEVER allow your women to travel without your constant supervision
> on a boat!

Haha, thanks for the advice, Larry, I'm really not too worried about
any of that, but in any case, making the ferry reservations turned out
to be an excellent idea and I was very glad I did it: the conditions
out on Block Island Sound last Thursday were even rougher than I'd
been
anticipating, even if I were riding solo in a group of buddies, I'm
pretty sure I'd have BAILED on any attempted pwc crossing to Block
that day - the wife and I were very happy to be on board that ferry on
the way to our little mini-vacation.

The trip was very nice, too; on each of three days there we rented
bicycles for the whole day, headed out from Old Harbor after breakfast
and covered pretty much all of the island in three sectors, stopping
at all the hiking trails pointed out in the maps and guides we picked
up, to hike the trails and take plenty of pictures as usual; the
trails
all led to stunning ocean views from the tops of verdant bluffs, and/
or to dramatic beaches of varying character (sandy/rocky, protected-
calm/wave-crashing).  So anyway we got a good amount of much-needed
exercise.  On the last night there I even sampled the night life scene
in town a bit to check out a couple live bands playing (my wife
demurred and stayed in bed reading for the extra hour or two). The
weather was mostly very cloudy, foggy and coolish (for midsummer), a
little disappointing but really probably a blessing for all that
biking and hiking we did.  At any rate if my wife creates one of her
little online photo albums I'll put up a link.

> Don't let her ride on some OTHER male's jetski with him either!  Way > too much risk....already wrapped around "him"!  Sheer lunacy!  You
> wouldn't let her wrap around "him" in his cabin would you?....OF
> COURSE NOT!

I will keep it in mind for sure!

richforman
Larry - 09 Jul 2008 00:16 GMT
richforman <rforman61@msn.com> wrote in news:155bedff-0a68-40f0-8f49-
4e63047c84b5@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> anticipating, even if I were riding solo in a group of buddies, I'm
> pretty sure I'd have BAILED on any attempted pwc crossing to Block
> that day - the wife and I were very happy to be on board that ferry on
> the way to our little mini-vacation.

There are some really great PWC places within 30 miles of this keyboard.  
There's 3200 miles of navigable waterways, most without even so much as a
house on them.  Thousands of little islands all over.  There are STILL
completely untouched oceanfront islands on the Atlantic Ocean without a
single road, condo, millionaire Yankee screaming for you to get off his
beach, nasty cops trying to lie to you it's his beach (which it's NOT as
there are no private beaches here in SC.)  The public's beach runs 100 feet
back from the mean high tide mark...and THEY KNOW IT!

Let me show you something really cool:

Boot Google Earth and find Charleston, SC....
Stay around 35000 ft above the mouth of Charleston Harbor on Google Earth.

From the mouth of the harbor, slide up the coast:
Sullivan's Island - populated
Isle of Palms - populated
Pine Island - an extension of Isle of Palms but swamp.
Goat Island behind IOP is on the landside of the ICW.
Crab Bank - a sand and mud pile
Dewees Island - private island of billionaires with no cars, golf carts and
their own ferry to IOP Marina.

Then there's a cut into the Atlantic between Dewees and Capers Island, an
uninhabited wildlife refuge with no roads/condos/billionaires/unspoiled.  
Zoom in on the cut.  Deep water to play in, tide keeps it clean, a boater's
playground all summer.  Ride out into the Atlantic from the cut and come
around to the BEACH! on Capers Island.  Lay out your blanket being careful
of the curious crabs.  Notice the lack of ANYONE ELSE for MILES...(C;  
Enjoy.  From Capers to Georgetown's Sampit River, is deserted.  Bulls Bay
has lots of sandbars and bears watching carefully.  The ICW goes behind
these islands and provides a quick way back to the harbor after a day at
the beach.

PWC trip 2 - Bird Key

Go back to Charleston Harbor and up the S side of the lower peninsula the
ICW turns down two cuts, turning S at the end of the big City Marina just
past the CG station.  Come through the cuts, where there are two nice
public boat landings to launch in and as you exit Elliott's Cut into an
inland bay formed by the ICW and Stono River, hang a left into the Stono
River, which ends in the Kiawah River about a mile from the Atlantic Ocean,
again, on the end of Billionaire Country, Kiawah Island Resort.

Hang a left and go towards the ocean.  The northern tip of Kiawah is out of
reach of the billionaires and their rentacops and is another favorite
boater-only beach on the Atlantic Ocean.  It's nice but look across the
Kiawah River to the N and you'll see Bird Key, a little island paradise you
can walk all the way around shelling in about an hour.  It's constantly
shifting, so every time you visit it's your first trip to the island.  The
center of the island is a sea bird rookery so dogs are NOT ALLOWED.  Do not
cross into the rookery the DNR marks during nesting season.  On the Folly
River side (away from ocean) towards the Folly Island side to the N be
careful where you step in the shallow tidal waters.  You'll see the biggest
horseshoe crabs I've ever seen breeding and doing their crazy mating
rituals (not quite like humans on jetskis) during the spring and early
summer.
http://io.uwinnipeg.ca/~simmons/16cm05/1116/33-28-HorseshoeCrabs.jpg

PWC Trip 3 - Through the big lock into the lake....

Take Google Earth to:
Bushy Park Rd, Goose Creek, SC
which is up the Cooper River above the Harbor at the Naval Weapons Station.

Where it lands is on the industrial property where several factories are,
or were, located with river/ocean access.  To the right of the mark, you
see the winding Cooper River going down to the harbor.  To the left of the
mark is a strange, manmade reservoir whos earthen dam merely separates this
reservoir from the brackish seawater of the river on the S end of the
reservoir.  Go there and zoom in where the road crossed the top of the dam.  
There are two boat landings on top of the dam, one on the Cooper River side
in brackish water....one on the reservoir in FRESH water next to one of the
intakes to our Charleston Water System.  There are multiple ramps on both
with nice trailer parking to leave your redneck pickup and PWC trailer
while you "make the loop!".

This is one great PWC or small boat day trip you never have to turn around
and go back from.  Put the boats in the Cooper River's salt water side.  
Ride out the cut into the river and turn left, upstream.  Unless there has
been some torrential rains, the currents in the Cooper River is nearly
zero, which is why the seawater backs up this far in the river.  This side
of the dam, the water runs up and down with the tides.  Hangin a left gives
you a fantastic opportunity to explore the SC lowcountry in a small boat or
PWC (or 50' sloop if you like because ships go up the river here).  The
overhead wires are way high for ship traffic up the river quite a ways past
the factories...most of which are closed any more.

Above Hagan Island, the river T's and it's not well marked, or wasn't the
last time I took the loop a couple years ago.  The T to the right takes you
up past some old plantations and nice horse farms of local moneyed people
and really goes nowhere, getting smaller and smaller.  The T to the LEFT
takes you further up the Cooper River, which eventually becomes the
Tailrace Canal for the 1930's power plant way up in Moncks Corner, SC.  
Trip 4 goes up there, but not this loop trip.

Upriver past the T, you'll see a tide station (orange dot) at Old Rice
Mill.  Our rivers are shored by old rice plantations so be careful not to
get too far out in what appears to be a lake, but is actually about 5" deep
in the old rice paddies from the 1800s.  They finally marked the channels
up to Moncks Corners about 5 years ago with little bouys.

Around the bend past that station is another T in the Cooper River.  Around
the next bend past the T to the right towards the Tailrace Canal is a
railroad swing bridge you shouldn't get under on this trip.  We're gonna go
LEFT at the T, this time.

By now you are in FRESH water caused by the flow from the lake through the
power dam.  The T to the left is the supply canal for the reservoir you
CONVIENTLY left the truck and trailer parked at the other end of!  The
canal takes you right pass Cypress Gardens, a park full of alligators
you'll see cruising the canal looking for small redneck children riding in
tubes behind old fishing boats.  Down the canal at the bridge you'll have
to duck your head to get under, is another public boat landing.  Go under
the bridge and watch out for redneck children swinging out over the river
on huge ropes hung from massive Southern oak trees, a popular swimming hole
all summer long.  Cruise down the canal waving at the other nice folks
going both ways into the reservoir and you'll enter the upper end of the
fresh water reservoir.  Keep to the right all the way down to the fresh
water intake as that's where the water is deepest with no nasty rusty pipes
lurking under the surface along the left side from the factory intakes of
old.  Factories who used water loved it they had a fresh water lake at
their back doors for free.

At the dam end of the lake....THERE SITS YOUR TRAILER, RIGHT WHERE YOU LEFT
IT!  A small beach to the left of the boat landing is a popular place for
the local PWC crowd to congregate in the reservoir and the pylon floats you
may see out from the boat landing, there, is where the PWC races are held.  
A very friendly group will simply ride off from you up the lake as their
boats are so modified you can hardly hang onto them.  You'll also see a
waterski slolam course if the big skiboats from the Ski club are present.  
Their coarse is air powered and anchored to the bottom of the reservoir up
around the bend from the boat landing so the big wakes don't bother anyone.  
When the ski club arrives, someone connects an airtank to a hose floating
on a little float and all the spring loaded floats on the course pop up to
the surface from the interconnecting hoses laying on the bottom.  How
cool...(c;  Watching the expert water skiiers assembled is a great way to
waste time in the reservoir, resting from having your doors blown off by
the jetski racers...(c;

TRIP 4 - A trip to the lake through the Moultrie Dam.

Put the boat in either side you like at Bushy Park, same as trip 3.  But
this time ride up past that railroad swing bridge into the beautiful waters
of the upper Cooper River and Tailrace Canal.  You'll pass Mepkin Abbey's
beautifully-kept massive lawns just past a riverside housing area.  The
whole area is matted with old rice fields and some building ruins from the
old rice plantations of the 19th century when Rice was King.  (keep an eye
on your course or YOU'LL BE SORRRRRY!)  The channel, itself, through all
this is quite deep and very dependable.  I've taken this trip up the
Cooper, not the reservoir, in a 41' cruising ketch and we spent the weekend
cruising the lake, flushing out the various seawater devices, and sleeping
next to one of the hundreds of islands.

Just keep going and going upriver until you see the little boat landing at
the seafood restaurant located OVER the river where US 52 crosses overhead
in Moncks Corner, SC.

FUEL - PWC needs FUEL!!  Ok, you got this far and need gas....(c;  Just
beyond the big bridge you'll find a little, non-descript cut to the left
that looks like someone dug it out with a backhoe, which they did.  There's
a little marina up in there that sells GAS (beer, snacks, bait) past a few
little docks for the locals to rent.  Pray they're open!...(c;  If they're
not, you can follow  the road from the boatramp up to the Angler's gas
station and get gas and cans from there.  BUY GAS HERE as it's much more
convenient than up in the lake.  Locals fill boats before launching because
gas is cheaper than at marinas.  99% of the boats here come on
trailers....in redneck country!

Ok, we got gas, come back down the ditch to the tailrace and turn left the
way we were headed up to the power plants.  The old power plant from 1930
is in the dam, itself....not much water fall but enough.  Beside it you'll
hear the fuel oil fired/natural gas fired new power plant.

Go up to the massive lock doors and wait with the other boats for them to
open.  The lock belongs to our SC state power company, Santee-Cooper, and
is free!  It's great fun to ride up INSIDE this 75' lift lock into Lake
Moultrie.  All you do is give the lockmaster your name and where you are
from for their usage records he depends upon to keep the lock running.  
They'll ask you from way up at the top as you lift up.  PCW riders are
required to get off their PWC (prevents capsizing in the currents when the
lock is filling) and stand with your boat on the big camel that rides up
and down as a floating dock in a groove in the wall of the lock.  Tie your
PWC to the camel with everyone else rafted up and stand on the camel for
the vertical ride...great fun, either way!

WARNING - AS THE LOCK DOORS OPEN DO NOT GET RUNDOWN!  THOSE REDNECKS IN THE
BIG BASSBOATS HAVE BEEN DRINKING BEER SINCE 0600 AND ARE IN A TERRIBLE
HURRY TO GO NOWNERE!  Stay out of their way!!  There's always a huge race
to see who gets free from the pack the fastest.  It's a penis envy thing...
(c;  If anyone is in a multi-engine inboard cigarette boat...STAY WAY AWAY
FROM THEM!!

The lake is really deep here by the dam....about 80'.  But, away from the
dam up the lake it GETS REALLY SHALLOW REALLY FAST in the submerged towns
and farms and roads and hills that are under this manmade lake.  HUGE TREE
STUMP ACRES that make it the finest land locked striped bass fishing on the
planet are coveted by fishermen and CURSED by every other kind of boater
who's just lost his prop/foot/engine/holed his hull hitting the stumps
lurking just under the surface.  The lakes filled so fast they didn't have
time to log them and only cut a few trees which were chained to the bottom
and have since broken loose.  There are uninhabited islands and some
beautiful places to explore on these two huge lakes, but they can be very
treacherous to the unwary.

If you camp out on an island, please take all your trash with you.  Thanks.  
The power company owns all the islands and doesn't much care if you camp
out....great fun, too!

Another fun thing to do on a PWC is befriend someone on their big pontoon
boat.  Beer and lunch are usually free if you've been taking the kids for
PWC rides...(c;  These are the friendliest rednecks on the planet!

The food at the restaurant below the dam is great low country food from one
of the shrimp boat companies....and tastes even better going downstream
after a day in the lake!  Don't forget where the GAS STATION IS before
heading back down....There's NONE IN THE RIVER!

Well, you can find your way back down river to the trailer, so I'll leave
you here, screaming across the lake laughing and hollaring like the rest of
the kids....(c;  Remember it's illegal to ride PWC in the dark, here!  It
would be suicide, anyways....in the ricefields.

There are a thousand other trips like these to take....You'd never do them
all....and some you don't see another soul all weekend!  

Florida my a.s......(c;
salty@dog.com - 06 Jul 2008 12:26 GMT
>The details of this should be interesting:
>
>http://www.wfsb.com/news/16770782/detail.html

BOSTON - The Coast Guard is continuing its investigation into the collision that
occurred today three miles north of Block Island, R.I., between the 140-foot
buoy tender Coast Guard Cutter Morro Bay and a Block Island ferry.

The cause of the collision is still being determined at this time. Coast Guard
investigators are interviewing both the crew of the Morro Bay and the ferry.
Drug and alcohol tests are being conducted on ferry and Coast Guard crewmembers.

The commanding officer of the Morro Bay, Lt. Douglas Wyatt, took command of the
Morro Bay in a change of command ceremony in Newport, R.I., Tuesday. The Morro
Bay was headed back to its homeport in New London, Conn., following the ceremony
when the collision occurred.

Wyatt enlisted in the Coast Guard in 1978 and was the officer in charge of the
65-foot ice-breaking tug Coast Guard Cutter Hawser and was the executive petty
officer on the 65-foot ice-breaking tug Coast Guard Cutter Wire. He was also the
commanding officer of Coast Guard Station Fire Island, NY, and the executive
petty officer of Station Castle Hill in Narragansett, R.I.
Wayne.B - 07 Jul 2008 00:56 GMT
>Wyatt enlisted in the Coast Guard in 1978 and was the officer in charge of the
>65-foot ice-breaking tug Coast Guard Cutter Hawser and was the executive petty
>officer on the 65-foot ice-breaking tug Coast Guard Cutter Wire. He was also the
>commanding officer of Coast Guard Station Fire Island, NY, and the executive
>petty officer of Station Castle Hill in Narragansett, R.I.

I suspect his command will be short lived since he was apparently
approaching from the port side of the ferry.  Bad break for him on his
maiden voyage.

It will be interesting to see if USCG tries to protect one of their
own by claiming the ferry contributed to the accident in some way.

Stay tuned.
salty@dog.com - 07 Jul 2008 01:06 GMT
>>Wyatt enlisted in the Coast Guard in 1978 and was the officer in charge of the
>>65-foot ice-breaking tug Coast Guard Cutter Hawser and was the executive petty
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Stay tuned.

Oh, I'm confident that both boats will be apportioned a measure of
responsibility. These are two vessels that normally operate in all weather
conditions year round. A ferry operator trying to stay on schedule probably
figured heavily into this result. I think thery are both in big trouble on this
one.
 
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