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salty@dog.com - 02 Jul 2008 19:55 GMT The details of this should be interesting:
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salty@dog.com - 02 Jul 2008 20:04 GMT >The details of this should be interesting: > >http://www.wfsb.com/news/16770782/detail.html Conditions: seas calm, visibility 200 yards, fog
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Jonathan Ganz - 02 Jul 2008 20:32 GMT >>The details of this should be interesting: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://snap.turnto10.com/snap/media_view/1312/ Someone's in deep poo...
richforman - 02 Jul 2008 21:13 GMT On Jul 2, 2:55 pm, sa...@dog.com wrote:
> The details of this should be interesting: > > http://www.wfsb.com/news/16770782/detail.html Unless I'm missing something that's a very short news story with no info on what happened to the passengers or anything else?
I am taking a ferry to Block Island tomorrow, not that one, the one from Montauk. It is a change of plans, my wife and I are going to block for a four-day trip to celebrate our 5th anniversary, the plan all along was to ride my WaveRunner (I have ridden to Block from the Peconic Bay many times, have never taken a ferry over; have also taken my wife on a number of memorable overnight trips on the pwc, always a very enjoyable adventure). But as of yesterday looking at the weather and marine forecasts, I could see that it is most likely going to be too rough and windy to make the crossing over Block Island Sound riding 2-up; if I were riding solo I could probably hack it although it might not be much fun, but my wife would be scared and freaking out for sure. (Last time I rode over with two friends of mine a couple weekends back, it was flat calm the whole day, just beautiful, we took the outside route from Shinnecock inlet to Montauk point.) I came up with the idea that maybe I would buy her a ticket on the ferry, ride to Montauk Harbor from the launch in Jamesport and drop her off there, make the crossing myself and meet her over there, then I just said to hell with it, I'll do without the jetski adventure this time and just buy round-trip ferry tickets for both of us and drive to Montauk in the morning, bail on the original plan for a nautical adventure. It's pretty disappointing for me, going over on the ferry like normal sane people, but I know I'm letting common-sense prevail and there will be plenty of other riding days still to come this summer. Looking forward to exploring the island, we love hiking and beaching and the rest of it, although it looks like we might get mostly crappy weather too. Ah well, still better than going to work.
richforman
Jonathan Ganz - 02 Jul 2008 21:42 GMT >On Jul 2, 2:55 pm, sa...@dog.com wrote: >> The details of this should be interesting: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Unless I'm missing something that's a very short news story with no >info on what happened to the passengers or anything else? I think the point is that you're supposed to avoid the collision pretty much no matter what.
>I am taking a ferry to Block Island tomorrow, not that one, the one >from Montauk. It is a change of plans, my wife and I are going to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >rest of it, although it looks like we might get mostly crappy weather >too. Ah well, still better than going to work. Sounds like a nice day!
salty@dog.com - 02 Jul 2008 22:56 GMT >On Jul 2, 2:55 pm, sa...@dog.com wrote: >> The details of this should be interesting: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Unless I'm missing something that's a very short news story with no >info on what happened to the passengers or anything else? Passengers are all okay. The Ferry has a big dent, and the Morro has negligible damage. The Morro spent many years in the Great Lakes and St. L Seaway as an icebreaker, capable of dealing with and breaking 30 inch ice. One strong boat. How the Ferry and the Morro Bay could have collided will be quite a story as it unfolds. We are talking two vessels with massive amounts of expertise operating in these waters. I imagine there will be some "retirements" as a result of this. More than one person really screwed up badly for this to have hapened.
Wilbur Hubbard - 03 Jul 2008 01:08 GMT >>On Jul 2, 2:55 pm, sa...@dog.com wrote: >>> The details of this should be interesting: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > this. > More than one person really screwed up badly for this to have hapened. Since when has otnbrd been at the helm of a ferry? I thought he was a pilot boat driver.
Wilbur Hubbard
otnmbrd - 03 Jul 2008 03:46 GMT <EG> You must be hard up for responses, neal...... First off, it's "otnmbrd" Secondly, I was Capt. of a number of ferries in N.E. waters in my yoot.
> Since when has otnbrd been at the helm of a ferry? I thought he was a > pilot boat driver. > > Wilbur Hubbard Wilbur Hubbard - 04 Jul 2008 03:14 GMT > <EG> You must be hard up for responses, neal...... > First off, it's "otnmbrd" > Secondly, I was Capt. of a number of ferries in N.E. waters in my yoot. Sorry for the typo, otnmbrd. What does that stand for anyway? Sounds sorta like an Australian chicken or some such.
Your yoot! Hah ha! You must be from Brooklyn! Hope you're doing well and still at the helm of something. You are a real seaman. I bet you wouldn't accept a helicopter rescue off an only slightly compromised vessel like the skipper of the prematurely scuttled "Red Cloud" in the face of a little ole Gulf of Mexico cold front with 45knot winds and maybe a few 20-foot seas now would you?
(I can almost hear your answer - something like "without being there to experience everything myself, I would not be able to proffer an opinion that had any merit" or some such lame cop out to keep from expressing an opinion.)
Wilbur Hubbard
salty@dog.com - 04 Jul 2008 13:43 GMT >> <EG> You must be hard up for responses, neal...... >> First off, it's "otnmbrd" >> Secondly, I was Capt. of a number of ferries in N.E. waters in my yoot. > >Sorry for the typo, otnmbrd. What does that stand for anyway? Sounds sorta >like an Australian chicken or some such. He's outnumbered
otnmbrd - 04 Jul 2008 16:17 GMT >> <EG> You must be hard up for responses, neal...... >> First off, it's "otnmbrd" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Sorry for the typo, otnmbrd. What does that stand for anyway? Sounds > sorta like an Australian chicken or some such. It's my license plate. When I got it originally (20+ yrs ago), my family consisted of wife, 2 daughters, 1 mare, 4 female dogs, 3 female cats..... I was the sole Male. Things change, but I can easily find something to relate it to. Now the plates are on a Saleen 281SC Mustang which may be outnumbered by all the GT's but never outrun.
> Your yoot! Hah ha! You must be from Brooklyn! Hope you're doing well > and still at the helm of something. You are a real seaman. I bet you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > opinion that had any merit" or some such lame cop out to keep from > expressing an opinion.) <BG> Didn't need my answer...you all ready had it!!
otn
FoolKiller - 05 Jul 2008 01:49 GMT >> <EG> You must be hard up for responses, neal...... >> First off, it's "otnmbrd" [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Wilbur Hubbard As opposed to never having been there and experienced it but more then willing to offer an opinion on it.
Or, to paraphrase the country & western song:
The biggest fool to ever hit the Internet and all he has to do is act naturally.
A fool who knows his foolishness is wise at least to that extent, but a fool who thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.
Larry - 03 Jul 2008 00:22 GMT richforman <rforman61@msn.com> wrote in news:cdda3c5c-2d35-4ae0-affa- 1bb884d1c823@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
> I came up > with the idea that maybe I would buy her a ticket on the ferry, ride > to Montauk Harbor from the launch in Jamesport and drop her off there, > make the crossing myself and meet her over there Never allow your women to travel alone on any kind of boat! BAD PLAN!
Something about the sea, even just crossing the river, causes them to start dreaming and LOOKING FOR A MATE! If they can't see you, they're powerless to control the deluge of hormones a boat motion causes and they latch onto some sailor or other mating male the hormonal deluge has caused them to be excited by.
NEVER allow your women to travel without your constant supervision on a boat!
This phenomenon has made several cruise lines amazingly rich....
Don't let her ride on some OTHER male's jetski with him either! Way too much risk....already wrapped around "him"! Sheer lunacy! You wouldn't let her wrap around "him" in his cabin would you?....OF COURSE NOT!
It's why the Beachmaster agressively attacks other sea lion males near his harem!
richforman - 08 Jul 2008 16:26 GMT > richforman<rforma...@msn.com> wrote in news:cdda3c5c-2d35-4ae0-affa- > 1bb884d1c...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com: > > > I came up with the idea that maybe I would buy her a ticket on the > > ferry, ride to Montauk Harbor from the launch in Jamesport and > > drop her off there, make the crossing myself and meet her over > > there
> Never allow your women to travel alone on any kind of > boat! BAD PLAN! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > NEVER allow your women to travel without your constant supervision > on a boat! Haha, thanks for the advice, Larry, I'm really not too worried about any of that, but in any case, making the ferry reservations turned out to be an excellent idea and I was very glad I did it: the conditions out on Block Island Sound last Thursday were even rougher than I'd been anticipating, even if I were riding solo in a group of buddies, I'm pretty sure I'd have BAILED on any attempted pwc crossing to Block that day - the wife and I were very happy to be on board that ferry on the way to our little mini-vacation.
The trip was very nice, too; on each of three days there we rented bicycles for the whole day, headed out from Old Harbor after breakfast and covered pretty much all of the island in three sectors, stopping at all the hiking trails pointed out in the maps and guides we picked up, to hike the trails and take plenty of pictures as usual; the trails all led to stunning ocean views from the tops of verdant bluffs, and/ or to dramatic beaches of varying character (sandy/rocky, protected- calm/wave-crashing). So anyway we got a good amount of much-needed exercise. On the last night there I even sampled the night life scene in town a bit to check out a couple live bands playing (my wife demurred and stayed in bed reading for the extra hour or two). The weather was mostly very cloudy, foggy and coolish (for midsummer), a little disappointing but really probably a blessing for all that biking and hiking we did. At any rate if my wife creates one of her little online photo albums I'll put up a link.
> Don't let her ride on some OTHER male's jetski with him either! Way > too much risk....already wrapped around "him"! Sheer lunacy! You > wouldn't let her wrap around "him" in his cabin would you?....OF > COURSE NOT! I will keep it in mind for sure!
richforman
Larry - 09 Jul 2008 00:16 GMT richforman <rforman61@msn.com> wrote in news:155bedff-0a68-40f0-8f49- 4e63047c84b5@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> anticipating, even if I were riding solo in a group of buddies, I'm > pretty sure I'd have BAILED on any attempted pwc crossing to Block > that day - the wife and I were very happy to be on board that ferry on > the way to our little mini-vacation. There are some really great PWC places within 30 miles of this keyboard. There's 3200 miles of navigable waterways, most without even so much as a house on them. Thousands of little islands all over. There are STILL completely untouched oceanfront islands on the Atlantic Ocean without a single road, condo, millionaire Yankee screaming for you to get off his beach, nasty cops trying to lie to you it's his beach (which it's NOT as there are no private beaches here in SC.) The public's beach runs 100 feet back from the mean high tide mark...and THEY KNOW IT!
Let me show you something really cool:
Boot Google Earth and find Charleston, SC.... Stay around 35000 ft above the mouth of Charleston Harbor on Google Earth.
From the mouth of the harbor, slide up the coast: Sullivan's Island - populated Isle of Palms - populated Pine Island - an extension of Isle of Palms but swamp. Goat Island behind IOP is on the landside of the ICW. Crab Bank - a sand and mud pile Dewees Island - private island of billionaires with no cars, golf carts and their own ferry to IOP Marina.
Then there's a cut into the Atlantic between Dewees and Capers Island, an uninhabited wildlife refuge with no roads/condos/billionaires/unspoiled. Zoom in on the cut. Deep water to play in, tide keeps it clean, a boater's playground all summer. Ride out into the Atlantic from the cut and come around to the BEACH! on Capers Island. Lay out your blanket being careful of the curious crabs. Notice the lack of ANYONE ELSE for MILES...(C; Enjoy. From Capers to Georgetown's Sampit River, is deserted. Bulls Bay has lots of sandbars and bears watching carefully. The ICW goes behind these islands and provides a quick way back to the harbor after a day at the beach.
PWC trip 2 - Bird Key
Go back to Charleston Harbor and up the S side of the lower peninsula the ICW turns down two cuts, turning S at the end of the big City Marina just past the CG station. Come through the cuts, where there are two nice public boat landings to launch in and as you exit Elliott's Cut into an inland bay formed by the ICW and Stono River, hang a left into the Stono River, which ends in the Kiawah River about a mile from the Atlantic Ocean, again, on the end of Billionaire Country, Kiawah Island Resort.
Hang a left and go towards the ocean. The northern tip of Kiawah is out of reach of the billionaires and their rentacops and is another favorite boater-only beach on the Atlantic Ocean. It's nice but look across the Kiawah River to the N and you'll see Bird Key, a little island paradise you can walk all the way around shelling in about an hour. It's constantly shifting, so every time you visit it's your first trip to the island. The center of the island is a sea bird rookery so dogs are NOT ALLOWED. Do not cross into the rookery the DNR marks during nesting season. On the Folly River side (away from ocean) towards the Folly Island side to the N be careful where you step in the shallow tidal waters. You'll see the biggest horseshoe crabs I've ever seen breeding and doing their crazy mating rituals (not quite like humans on jetskis) during the spring and early summer. http://io.uwinnipeg.ca/~simmons/16cm05/1116/33-28-HorseshoeCrabs.jpg
PWC Trip 3 - Through the big lock into the lake....
Take Google Earth to: Bushy Park Rd, Goose Creek, SC which is up the Cooper River above the Harbor at the Naval Weapons Station.
Where it lands is on the industrial property where several factories are, or were, located with river/ocean access. To the right of the mark, you see the winding Cooper River going down to the harbor. To the left of the mark is a strange, manmade reservoir whos earthen dam merely separates this reservoir from the brackish seawater of the river on the S end of the reservoir. Go there and zoom in where the road crossed the top of the dam. There are two boat landings on top of the dam, one on the Cooper River side in brackish water....one on the reservoir in FRESH water next to one of the intakes to our Charleston Water System. There are multiple ramps on both with nice trailer parking to leave your redneck pickup and PWC trailer while you "make the loop!".
This is one great PWC or small boat day trip you never have to turn around and go back from. Put the boats in the Cooper River's salt water side. Ride out the cut into the river and turn left, upstream. Unless there has been some torrential rains, the currents in the Cooper River is nearly zero, which is why the seawater backs up this far in the river. This side of the dam, the water runs up and down with the tides. Hangin a left gives you a fantastic opportunity to explore the SC lowcountry in a small boat or PWC (or 50' sloop if you like because ships go up the river here). The overhead wires are way high for ship traffic up the river quite a ways past the factories...most of which are closed any more.
Above Hagan Island, the river T's and it's not well marked, or wasn't the last time I took the loop a couple years ago. The T to the right takes you up past some old plantations and nice horse farms of local moneyed people and really goes nowhere, getting smaller and smaller. The T to the LEFT takes you further up the Cooper River, which eventually becomes the Tailrace Canal for the 1930's power plant way up in Moncks Corner, SC. Trip 4 goes up there, but not this loop trip.
Upriver past the T, you'll see a tide station (orange dot) at Old Rice Mill. Our rivers are shored by old rice plantations so be careful not to get too far out in what appears to be a lake, but is actually about 5" deep in the old rice paddies from the 1800s. They finally marked the channels up to Moncks Corners about 5 years ago with little bouys.
Around the bend past that station is another T in the Cooper River. Around the next bend past the T to the right towards the Tailrace Canal is a railroad swing bridge you shouldn't get under on this trip. We're gonna go LEFT at the T, this time.
By now you are in FRESH water caused by the flow from the lake through the power dam. The T to the left is the supply canal for the reservoir you CONVIENTLY left the truck and trailer parked at the other end of! The canal takes you right pass Cypress Gardens, a park full of alligators you'll see cruising the canal looking for small redneck children riding in tubes behind old fishing boats. Down the canal at the bridge you'll have to duck your head to get under, is another public boat landing. Go under the bridge and watch out for redneck children swinging out over the river on huge ropes hung from massive Southern oak trees, a popular swimming hole all summer long. Cruise down the canal waving at the other nice folks going both ways into the reservoir and you'll enter the upper end of the fresh water reservoir. Keep to the right all the way down to the fresh water intake as that's where the water is deepest with no nasty rusty pipes lurking under the surface along the left side from the factory intakes of old. Factories who used water loved it they had a fresh water lake at their back doors for free.
At the dam end of the lake....THERE SITS YOUR TRAILER, RIGHT WHERE YOU LEFT IT! A small beach to the left of the boat landing is a popular place for the local PWC crowd to congregate in the reservoir and the pylon floats you may see out from the boat landing, there, is where the PWC races are held. A very friendly group will simply ride off from you up the lake as their boats are so modified you can hardly hang onto them. You'll also see a waterski slolam course if the big skiboats from the Ski club are present. Their coarse is air powered and anchored to the bottom of the reservoir up around the bend from the boat landing so the big wakes don't bother anyone. When the ski club arrives, someone connects an airtank to a hose floating on a little float and all the spring loaded floats on the course pop up to the surface from the interconnecting hoses laying on the bottom. How cool...(c; Watching the expert water skiiers assembled is a great way to waste time in the reservoir, resting from having your doors blown off by the jetski racers...(c;
TRIP 4 - A trip to the lake through the Moultrie Dam.
Put the boat in either side you like at Bushy Park, same as trip 3. But this time ride up past that railroad swing bridge into the beautiful waters of the upper Cooper River and Tailrace Canal. You'll pass Mepkin Abbey's beautifully-kept massive lawns just past a riverside housing area. The whole area is matted with old rice fields and some building ruins from the old rice plantations of the 19th century when Rice was King. (keep an eye on your course or YOU'LL BE SORRRRRY!) The channel, itself, through all this is quite deep and very dependable. I've taken this trip up the Cooper, not the reservoir, in a 41' cruising ketch and we spent the weekend cruising the lake, flushing out the various seawater devices, and sleeping next to one of the hundreds of islands.
Just keep going and going upriver until you see the little boat landing at the seafood restaurant located OVER the river where US 52 crosses overhead in Moncks Corner, SC.
FUEL - PWC needs FUEL!! Ok, you got this far and need gas....(c; Just beyond the big bridge you'll find a little, non-descript cut to the left that looks like someone dug it out with a backhoe, which they did. There's a little marina up in there that sells GAS (beer, snacks, bait) past a few little docks for the locals to rent. Pray they're open!...(c; If they're not, you can follow the road from the boatramp up to the Angler's gas station and get gas and cans from there. BUY GAS HERE as it's much more convenient than up in the lake. Locals fill boats before launching because gas is cheaper than at marinas. 99% of the boats here come on trailers....in redneck country!
Ok, we got gas, come back down the ditch to the tailrace and turn left the way we were headed up to the power plants. The old power plant from 1930 is in the dam, itself....not much water fall but enough. Beside it you'll hear the fuel oil fired/natural gas fired new power plant.
Go up to the massive lock doors and wait with the other boats for them to open. The lock belongs to our SC state power company, Santee-Cooper, and is free! It's great fun to ride up INSIDE this 75' lift lock into Lake Moultrie. All you do is give the lockmaster your name and where you are from for their usage records he depends upon to keep the lock running. They'll ask you from way up at the top as you lift up. PCW riders are required to get off their PWC (prevents capsizing in the currents when the lock is filling) and stand with your boat on the big camel that rides up and down as a floating dock in a groove in the wall of the lock. Tie your PWC to the camel with everyone else rafted up and stand on the camel for the vertical ride...great fun, either way!
WARNING - AS THE LOCK DOORS OPEN DO NOT GET RUNDOWN! THOSE REDNECKS IN THE BIG BASSBOATS HAVE BEEN DRINKING BEER SINCE 0600 AND ARE IN A TERRIBLE HURRY TO GO NOWNERE! Stay out of their way!! There's always a huge race to see who gets free from the pack the fastest. It's a penis envy thing... (c; If anyone is in a multi-engine inboard cigarette boat...STAY WAY AWAY FROM THEM!!
The lake is really deep here by the dam....about 80'. But, away from the dam up the lake it GETS REALLY SHALLOW REALLY FAST in the submerged towns and farms and roads and hills that are under this manmade lake. HUGE TREE STUMP ACRES that make it the finest land locked striped bass fishing on the planet are coveted by fishermen and CURSED by every other kind of boater who's just lost his prop/foot/engine/holed his hull hitting the stumps lurking just under the surface. The lakes filled so fast they didn't have time to log them and only cut a few trees which were chained to the bottom and have since broken loose. There are uninhabited islands and some beautiful places to explore on these two huge lakes, but they can be very treacherous to the unwary.
If you camp out on an island, please take all your trash with you. Thanks. The power company owns all the islands and doesn't much care if you camp out....great fun, too!
Another fun thing to do on a PWC is befriend someone on their big pontoon boat. Beer and lunch are usually free if you've been taking the kids for PWC rides...(c; These are the friendliest rednecks on the planet!
The food at the restaurant below the dam is great low country food from one of the shrimp boat companies....and tastes even better going downstream after a day in the lake! Don't forget where the GAS STATION IS before heading back down....There's NONE IN THE RIVER!
Well, you can find your way back down river to the trailer, so I'll leave you here, screaming across the lake laughing and hollaring like the rest of the kids....(c; Remember it's illegal to ride PWC in the dark, here! It would be suicide, anyways....in the ricefields.
There are a thousand other trips like these to take....You'd never do them all....and some you don't see another soul all weekend!
Florida my a.s......(c;
salty@dog.com - 06 Jul 2008 12:26 GMT >The details of this should be interesting: > >http://www.wfsb.com/news/16770782/detail.html BOSTON - The Coast Guard is continuing its investigation into the collision that occurred today three miles north of Block Island, R.I., between the 140-foot buoy tender Coast Guard Cutter Morro Bay and a Block Island ferry.
The cause of the collision is still being determined at this time. Coast Guard investigators are interviewing both the crew of the Morro Bay and the ferry. Drug and alcohol tests are being conducted on ferry and Coast Guard crewmembers.
The commanding officer of the Morro Bay, Lt. Douglas Wyatt, took command of the Morro Bay in a change of command ceremony in Newport, R.I., Tuesday. The Morro Bay was headed back to its homeport in New London, Conn., following the ceremony when the collision occurred.
Wyatt enlisted in the Coast Guard in 1978 and was the officer in charge of the 65-foot ice-breaking tug Coast Guard Cutter Hawser and was the executive petty officer on the 65-foot ice-breaking tug Coast Guard Cutter Wire. He was also the commanding officer of Coast Guard Station Fire Island, NY, and the executive petty officer of Station Castle Hill in Narragansett, R.I.
Wayne.B - 07 Jul 2008 00:56 GMT >Wyatt enlisted in the Coast Guard in 1978 and was the officer in charge of the >65-foot ice-breaking tug Coast Guard Cutter Hawser and was the executive petty >officer on the 65-foot ice-breaking tug Coast Guard Cutter Wire. He was also the >commanding officer of Coast Guard Station Fire Island, NY, and the executive >petty officer of Station Castle Hill in Narragansett, R.I. I suspect his command will be short lived since he was apparently approaching from the port side of the ferry. Bad break for him on his maiden voyage.
It will be interesting to see if USCG tries to protect one of their own by claiming the ferry contributed to the accident in some way.
Stay tuned.
salty@dog.com - 07 Jul 2008 01:06 GMT >>Wyatt enlisted in the Coast Guard in 1978 and was the officer in charge of the >>65-foot ice-breaking tug Coast Guard Cutter Hawser and was the executive petty [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Stay tuned. Oh, I'm confident that both boats will be apportioned a measure of responsibility. These are two vessels that normally operate in all weather conditions year round. A ferry operator trying to stay on schedule probably figured heavily into this result. I think thery are both in big trouble on this one.
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