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Boat Forum / Cruising / July 2008Avoiding Hazards At Sea
Sad and pathetic that a 16 YO boy can intimidate the hell out of Neal Warren (AKA Wilbur, Greg Hall, ect) the pretend sailor. I haven't seen Neal so upset since Ellen was in the news. Can you imagine having the need to dis a 16 year old young man? Just how pathetic is that? Neal will never run out of cook stove fuel. Neal will never run aground Neal will never lose a boat Neal will never rip a sail Neal will never bend a prop Neal will never need a tow Neal will never have a crew member injured Neal will never capsize a boat Neal will never be knocked down Neal will never hole his hull Neal will never lose a race Stark truth is Neal will avoid it by sailing no where, doing nothing, and being nothing. Neal is a man of words, he has a Phd in it. He is more suited at becoming an expert by reading what experts say, then cloning it in a puppet formin a sad attempt to impress. Neal is a pessimist living on a meger pension. Wilbur spends countless hours pretending on the internet, it is his forte. Neal will never discover the secret of the sea, or sail to an uncharted island or inspire a child to yearn for a life at sea. I would judge great sailors and Captains of the sea not so much by where they stand, as in what direction they are sailing. To reach any port worth being real sailors and skippers must sail with the wind and sometimes against it. But they must sail, not drift, stayed tied to the dock, nor moored on chicken bone reef. like Neal. Time at sea make wise sailors. Zac is sailing off into the sunset over and over and over. Neal is sailing a keyboard. While people like Neal complain about the wind, Zac will adjust his sails. Neal thinks sailing is an adventure of the mind, while people like Zac, Skip, Joe, Ellen, and many of the real regulars here know it is an adventure of the soul. People like Zac will make port from adventures, and perils, and discoveries with new experiences and character. While people like Nealbur remain stagnant and bitter, and old. I pity the fool Fred On Jul 2, 7:27 pm, 7seassin...@gmail.com wrote: > Time at sea make wise sailors. No it doesnt. Experince does not create nor equal wisdom. Most times a person is only destined to simply repeat the same mediocre choices as before. Just because a person has worked 12 years running a WalMart cash register doesn’t make them polite, any good at operating a cash register, or a candidate for a managerial spot. And do goes the ignorant coonass in the GOM.... experinced seaman or simply a one trick luck idiot who can not cope outside a narrow window of opperation? Experience does not create ability or judgment. Experiences allows the opportunity for learning. There are two phrases that scream inept: 1) “…reportedly the victim had a life time of boating experience…” and 2) “…she followed her life long dream to bla bla….” Both spell amateur destined for destruction. Bob > People like Zac will make port from adventures, and perils, and > discoveries with new experiences and character. > Fred Now, that is just crap. It is the kind of binary, black and white, either or, thinking that as at the heart of the intellectual rot that is destroying this culture. Try this, Time at sea makes wiser and more experience sailors. Formal training and other experience also do. Some sailors get wiser and are better at turning their experience into sound judgement than others. (Every standard deviation bell curve has two ends.) No sailor will ever be wise and experienced enough for some of the the conditions that may be encountered at sea. -- Roger Long Close, but not close enough. > Now, that is just crap. It is the kind of binary, black and white, either > or, thinking that as at the heart of the intellectual rot that is > destroying this culture. The culture is founded on good vs evil, that evil and good are absolute, certain and capable of being defined and understood. It is the melding of those two that are destroying the culture. When good compromises with evil is the end result good or just a little less evil? > Try this, > > Time at sea makes wiser and more experience sailors. Formal training and > other experience also do. Only wiser and more experienced sailors spend more time at sea. The incompetent are weeded out by nature. > Some sailors get wiser and are better at turning their experience into > sound judgement than others. (Every standard deviation bell curve has > two ends.) Aaahahahahahahahaaaa!!!! Right, the sea and sailors have powers beyond anyone else. The activity is the extension of the man. Circumstance does not make the man, it reveals him. A good number of sailors are just like those Harley-Davidson people. They go out and buy an image and play the role. > No sailor will ever be wise and experienced enough for some of the the > conditions that may be encountered at sea. If they are that wise, they would stay ashore and avoid the situation beyond their control. Personal experience only lasts a lifetime, wisdom is built upon the experiences of others as well and when passed on lasts for eternity. Wisdom gives the power to avoid mistakes and move ahead, experience is what is learned from mistakes and not moving ahead. Experience is a poor substitute for competence. Wilbur Hubbard has all three - experience, competence and an overdose of wisdom! On Jul 3, 8:51 am, "Kapt Krunch" AKA Neal Warren<KK6...@gmail.com> wrote: > If they are that wise, they would stay ashore and avoid the situation beyond > their control. That's how Neal avoids any hazards at sea. Fred >Now, that is just crap. It is the kind of binary, black and white, either >or, thinking that as at the heart of the intellectual rot that is destroying [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Time at sea makes wiser and more experience sailors. Formal training and >other experience also do. Exactly. That's one of the reasons why the CG requires "sea time" in order to qualify for a license. Perhaps the time makes them wiser. You could modify the statement to read that sea time makes for more wise decisions based on real-world experience. >Some sailors get wiser and are better at turning their experience into sound >judgement than others. (Every standard deviation bell curve has two ends.) > >No sailor will ever be wise and experienced enough for some of the the >conditions that may be encountered at sea. True, but they'll make better decisions leading up to those conditions. > Now, that is just crap. Hum, a little sensitive about this topic Roger? > It is the kind of binary, black and white, either > or, thinking that as at the heart of the intellectual rot that is destroying > this culture. I think we may have a misunderstanding. I will develop my idea more. > Try this, > Time at sea makes wiser and more experience sailors. there is no causal releationship between doing a task and becoming more skilled. No mater how many times I flapp my arns I aint gonna be able to fly. > Formal training and > other experience also do. Here Ill say that training alone will not cause a person to become more skilled. This is comming from a person who teahces a course titled: BA 400 Employee Training & Deveolopment > Some sailors get wiser and are better at turning their experience into sound > judgement than others. No here we agree. > (Every standard deviation bell curve has two ends.) ya but.... ftry a by-modal distribution where the wings are lager than the first SD. In laymans terms the wing nuts out number the middle. > No sailor will ever be wise and experienced enough for some of the the > conditions that may be encountered at sea. Agreed. We can only strive to be better skilled unfortunatly just doing somthing over and over and over (sea time) does not create smart skilld operators. The fist time I worked in the GOM I was appauled at the lubberly skill level of the OSV crews. Huge experince (sea time) but little skill. So the real question is: What makes a skilled mariner? How do yo get to be good at sailing? How does LEARNING occure. > Roger Long Bob > Sad and pathetic that a 16 YO boy can intimidate the hell out of Neal > Warren (AKA Wilbur, Greg Hall, ect) the pretend sailor. Sad that a little ole Gulf of Mexico cold front can intimidate the hell out of the hapless skipper of the erstwhile "Red Cloud" and her lubberly crew. > I haven't seen Neal so upset since Ellen was in the news. Ellen who? Notice, just like the Good Captain always said - she's just a flash in the pan. A gimmick for advertisers to latch onto for added publicity of, "She's as good as any man." Yah, right. That is a direct insult to any man. > Can you imagine having the need to dis a 16 year old young man? > Just how pathetic is that? If stating the truth is pathetic, no matter the age of the publicity hound, then you have, indeed, fallen in with the liberal thinking crowd that is eager to whitewash every idiotic thing a person might do and claim it is normal to be inept. > Neal will never run out of cook stove fuel. > Neal will never run aground [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Neal will never hole his hull > Neal will never lose a race You are absolutely correct with respect to all of the above except the last. Capt. Neal doesn't race because racing is not seamanlike. The World Famous Mariner has sail more miles aboard his blue water yacht and is still doing so while poor, boatless and witless Joe is now an official landlubber. Actually this is a good thing as the sea is no place for pretenders. It weeds them out quickly. > Stark truth is Neal will avoid it by sailing no where, doing nothing, > and being nothing. In your dreams, Mr. Cold Front Cadette! > Neal is a man of words, he has a Phd in it. He is more suited at > becoming an expert by reading what experts say, then cloning it in a > puppet formin a sad attempt to impress. Capt. Neal wrote his famous Novice sailing lessons based upon his massive personal experience and backed by intelligent thinking. > Neal is a pessimist living on a meger pension. Wilbur spends countless > hours pretending on the internet, it is his forte. I'd say he is a realist. He understands better than most men the role a man is supposed to assume in this world. A man should lead, not tuck tail and run. A man must not confuse wishful thinking with reality. A man is a pillar of strength - not a linguine-spined yell for help burder on others. A man does not brag about accomplishments prior to the fact. A man does not brag about accomplishments after the fact because he does not accomplish simply to impress. He accomplishes because it is in a man's nature to accomplish. It doesn't matter to a man if a single other person takes note of the accomplishment. In other words, a man is self-assured, self-reliant, self-confident and self-composed, self-contained, self-starting and self-made. A sailor man has standards of conduct one step above that listed above. He gives and takes no quarter either from the elements or from Neptune's wrath. He certainly doesn't abandon his ship because the winds got up to 45 knots with seas of maybe 20 feet. Such is the work of a sissy. > Neal will never discover the secret of the sea, or sail to an > uncharted island or inspire a child to yearn for a life at sea. Capt. Neal's been there, done that. The Good Captain has inspired a whole generation. Probably even Zac was inspired by the powerful diatribes produced by the World Famous Mariner. > I would judge great sailors and Captains of the sea not so much by > where they stand, as in what direction they are sailing. To reach any > port worth being real sailors and skippers must sail with the wind and > sometimes against it. But they must sail, not drift, stayed tied to > the dock, nor moored on chicken bone reef. like Neal. Even if the above were true consider the fact that Capt. Neal still has a boat to sail and to live in. Do you? > I pity the fool Me, too! I pity any fool who scuttles his boat in a cold front simply because weak members of his lubberly crew are yelling "Uncle" and he is frightened. Said fool needs to get a grip and learn how to command - how to become a man. How to run a ship. How to recognize failure in the face of slightly above average adversity. How to say, "I'm sorry, I blew it!" Wilbur Hubbard On Jul 3, 10:08 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubb...@thefarm.invalid> wrote: Keep Honking your big rubber ball Dullbur. I'm loading up my boat for a weekend of cruising with friends. I'm sure you will be here when I get back next week. Have a great time pretending your a sailor! TGIF Fred > On Jul 3, 10:08 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" <wilburhubb...@thefarm.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Have a great time pretending your a sailor! Wasn't even a bet. > TGIF Uhhh... That was Thursday ;-) We were on Xan by 5, out by 7, didn't return to the house (and w..k) until Monday morning. Counts as 5 days in my book. > Fred  SignatureJere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ >A sailor man has standards of conduct one step above that listed above. He >gives and takes no quarter either from the elements or from Neptune's wrath. >He certainly doesn't abandon his ship because the winds got up to 45 knots >with seas of maybe 20 feet. Such is the work of a sissy. >Wilbur Hubbard Written by an individual who, it is reputed, has never sailed at all. Balderdash, in other words. A fool who knows his foolishness is wise at least to that extent, but a fool who thinks himself wise is a fool indeed. Capt. Neal hasn't been heard from for years. Why is everyone still talking about him? He was thought provoking, controversial, entertaining, and capable of bringing out the very best, and worst, of his readership. I suppose the pressure of being "Capt. Neal" was not worth the effort to him. Perhaps one day he will gird up his loins and re-enter the fray, but I doubt it. He probably has neither the desire nor the strength to reprise the character. Like Pogo, Capt. Neal ran out of material and nothing more remains to be said. >Capt. Neal hasn't been heard from for years. Why is everyone still talking >about him? He was thought provoking, controversial, entertaining, and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >character. Like Pogo, Capt. Neal ran out of material and nothing more >remains to be said. Interesting story, a good read, and a lot of it being true, fiction though it may be. Neal is still around in his various sockpuppet roles, taking on several male and a couple of female names. He continues to lie, cheat, steal, stalk, and disrupt, all of which are in his nature, all of which he can't stop. He stopped being "thought provoking" 10 years ago. You're right though. Nothing more remains or needs to be said! |
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