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We were having a discussion at work as tho the fastest monohull. I recall a I think "K" scow but am not sure of the designation, any how it seems to me it was a twin keeler, 38 foot long dinghy for all intents. any one here have any experience with them? >We were having a discussion at work as tho the fastest monohull. I recall a >I think "K" scow but am not sure of the designation, any how it seems to me >it was a twin keeler, 38 foot long dinghy for all intents. any one here have >any experience with them? I have a feeling the Australian 18' Skiff is the fastest dinghy. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. alfredngobe@aemail4u.com On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:22:26 +1100, wrote: > I have a feeling the Australian 18' Skiff is the fastest dinghy. Maybe, but the A scow looks rather fast. http://www.ascow.org/ >On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:22:26 +1100, wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://www.ascow.org/ Sailed on a scow on Lake Guardia in Italy. Sucker was about 30' long and carried up to 15 on strings. Went like the clappers but when one was brought out to Oz for a challenge it was beaten comprehensively by an 18' skiff Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. alfredngobe@aemail4u.com Once you are planing LWL works against you. Every board sailor knows this. Cheers MC >>On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:22:26 +1100, wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > alfredngobe@aemail4u.com It would be faster if the designer had paid more attention to the wetted area in planing trim. She's too wide and flat IMO. Look at skiffs. Cheers MC > On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:22:26 +1100, wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.ascow.org/ On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:38:10 +1300, The_navigator© <farr1220@excite.com> wrote: >It would be faster if the designer had paid more attention to the wetted >area in planing trim. She's too wide and flat IMO. Look at skiffs. > >Cheers MC Built a skiff with a stepped hull and tubes to introduce air into the step.....It was banned! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. alfredngobe@aemail4u.com A classic design idea! Why was it banned? Cheers MC > On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:38:10 +1300, The_navigator© > <farr1220@excite.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > alfredngobe@aemail4u.com On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:50:12 +1300, The_navigator© <farr1220@excite.com> wrote: >A classic design idea! Why was it banned? > >Cheers MC Made everything else obsolete and something about smooth lines. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. alfredngobe@aemail4u.com > > Built a skiff with a stepped hull and tubes to introduce air into the > > step.....It was banned! I've seen this tried on multihulls too. I've been told that it is difficult to design a step so that it doesn't cripple the boat below certain speed thresholds, or so that it's not very sensitive to longitudinal trim. Did you have to play around with it much? I like the idea, the step and the tubes both would help make the hull more rigid. > The navigator© wrote: > A classic design idea! Sucking up to Oz1 are you, Navvie©? You're still a bad loser and a welsher. Fresh Breezes- Doug King >> > Built a skiff with a stepped hull and tubes to introduce air into the >> > step.....It was banned! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >thresholds, or so that it's not very sensitive to longitudinal trim. Did you >have to play around with it much? The boat was only just in the race under planing speeds but planed earlier and longer. Tried just straight step then one with a "planing board that extended back from the spep, this was much better but the board was easily damaged in bumpy stuff where the boat was leaping out of the water. >I like the idea, the step and the tubes both would help make the hull more >rigid. Probably, but taht wasn't really a factor as the boat was fully decked and the tubes were just behind the bulkhead. >> The navigator© wrote: >> A classic design idea! > >Sucking up to Oz1 are you, Navvie©? You're still a bad loser and a welsher. > >Fresh Breezes- Doug King Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. alfredngobe@aemail4u.com > >We were having a discussion at work as tho the fastest monohull. I recall a > >I think "K" scow but am not sure of the designation, any how it seems to me > >it was a twin keeler, 38 foot long dinghy for all intents. any one here have > >any experience with them? As others have said, it's most likely you mean an 'A' scow. I haven't sailed one but have seen them sailing a few times. They are awesome. > Donals Dilemma wrote: > I have a feeling the Australian 18' Skiff is the fastest dinghy. Yep. Be a heck of a shock to lots of people if they weren't. But the A-scow or even her smaller sister the E-scow is not to be taken lightly. In some conditions I bet they could give a skiff a run for the money. The A-scow does not have a handicap rating that I'm aware of but the E-scow is rated as a lot faster than a 505, slightly slower than a Tornado cat. Now, how would an A-scow and a 18-footer do against Mari-Cha 4? I suspect that she is the crowned & reigning Fastest Monohull On Earth (outside of the windsurfer speed trenches, that is). The navigator© wrote: > A windsurfer is the fastest monohull. Not by much, and not just any windsurfer. Recently in a distance race on San Francisco Bay, a custom windsurfer finished about 20 seconds ahead of an 18' skiff. But this once, you're right. Enjoy. Fresh Breezes- Doug King How would the sailing canoes down by St. Mikes compare? Scotty > > >We were having a discussion at work as tho the fastest monohull. I recall a > > >I think "K" scow but am not sure of the designation, any how it seems to me [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Fresh Breezes- Doug King >How would the sailing canoes down by St. Mikes compare? > >Scotty We have a canoe called The Payne Mortlock Sailing Canoe http://www.bsyc.asn.au/pmc Cool boat, twin hiking planks and quite fast but wouldn't be a patch on an 18' skiff Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. alfredngobe@aemail4u.com > >How would the sailing canoes down by St. Mikes compare? Don't really know. The log canoes best point is in relatively light air. I don't know what they clock. The skiffs plane easily but a 25' + waterline give these log canoes pretty good 'legs.' From what the numbers suggest, I'd give the nod to the skiffs. > Donals Dilemma wrote: > We have a canoe called > The Payne Mortlock Sailing Canoe > http://www.bsyc.asn.au/pmc > Cool boat, twin hiking planks and quite fast but wouldn't be a patch > on an 18' skiff I found another link with a small pic of the boat. Looks a good bit more sophisticated than the Chesapeake Bay Log Canoes. http://www.logcanoes.com/ The log canoes are very exciting to watch. They originated as 'buy boats' collecting oysters from the skipjack fleet and racing them to market. As more importance was given to just racing them for fun (although large sums were and still are wagered on them) they got sleeker and piled on more sail. Some of them have three or four hiking planks. IMHO the silly topsail doesn't add much drive but it adds a lot of style. Howard Chapelle's books have a lot of details & plans of some of the log canoes. Fresh Breezes- Doug King >> >How would the sailing canoes down by St. Mikes compare? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Fresh Breezes- Doug King Wild looking boats, I've never seen them before! The PM link is apparently down but they are more like a dinghy than a yacht. The guys who sail Skates have an affinity. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. alfredngobe@aemail4u.com Been meaning to attend one of their races, just didn't work out this year. Scotty > > >How would the sailing canoes down by St. Mikes compare? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Fresh Breezes- Doug King I think you may be thinking about the A Scow, although they don't have "keels", but rather twin bilge boards, as I have always heard them called. They are rockets. Like the more common E Scow, only the steroid version. I seem to remember a fairly recent picture in one of the sailing magazines of Buddy Melges sailing an E Scow pulling a water skier. I don't know about "fastest monohull" anymore. I believe they used to have some sort of race to crown the fastest monohull and the A Scow was teh winner, but that was 20+ years ago and things change. You should be able to do a search and come up with all sorts of info on A Scows. >We were having a discussion at work as tho the fastest monohull. I recall a >I think "K" scow but am not sure of the designation, any how it seems to me >it was a twin keeler, 38 foot long dinghy for all intents. any one here have >any experience with them? A windsurfer is the fastest monohull. Cheers MC > We were having a discussion at work as tho the fastest monohull. I recall a > I think "K" scow but am not sure of the designation, any how it seems to me > it was a twin keeler, 38 foot long dinghy for all intents. any one here have > any experience with them? Well, a scow isn't much more than a large windsurfer is it? > A windsurfer is the fastest monohull. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > it was a twin keeler, 38 foot long dinghy for all intents. any one here have > > any experience with them? The Carrolls Wrote: > We were having a discussion at work as tho the fastest monohull. > recall a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have > any experience with them? Seems to me that the skiffs are fastest. I have raced a 505, Flyin Dutchman and Tornado (to compare). The 505 and FD are not that fas relative to the quickest. E and A scows will kill them even in a sea. The A-scow is fast, but I would bet it would be 25% slower than a skif because the skiff is close to a Tornado according to the Aussi postings I have seen and the A-scow is not unless there is no wind. Also, my experience is that a Tornado with only the main up will ti the best sailboards around a course, but that the shortboard spee sailboards are a lot faster on a reach -- johnelliott24 >The Carrolls Wrote: >> We were having a discussion at work as tho the fastest monohull. I [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >the best sailboards around a course, but that the shortboard speed >sailboards are a lot faster on a reach. Australian 18' skiff will take a whole lot of boat to beat it. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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