Re: I want to take my dog boating...

That's already happening.  I read about it every day.  When a business
is shopping for a new location, huge tax incentives are offered to lure
them in.  The bigger companies turn it into an auction, of sorts.

Competing on price will never end - that's basic economics.  As long as
the quality is there, price is paramount.

A couple of points from my perspective... incentives should be given to
companies who hire local manufacturing works vs. hiring overseas. This can
be tricky, of course, to implement. Second, we need to stop trying to
compete on price alone. The race to the bottom can't be won.

On Mar 8, 11:05 pm, "Eisboch" <r...@nowhere.com> wrote:

Richard. John Deere and Cat do a tremendous amount of outsourcing too.
I don't think you can buy an American made 100 hp John Deere anymore,
and almost all your track-hoe's regardless of flavor are made overseas
now.
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I realize that even the most American of American manufacturers outsource
much of their manufacturing of components.  My ten year old John Deere
tractor has a Yammar diesel.  I think a new one of the same model is now
entirely built overseas.   But the root cause for outsourcing is cost of the
product to the consumer or buyer.   This is the fundamental issue with
outsourcing and the loss of manufacturing jobs here in the USA.

The far left will claim that the big wig executives are simply shedding
domestic manufacturing jobs in the pursuit of profits or to line their
pockets with bonuses.  Maybe true in some cases, but I contend that for most
it's a means of survival for the company.  As the global economy expands and
more and more cheaper labor forces compete for products, the consumer or
users of the products will determine who survives and who goes belly up.
If a fully USA made John Deere tractor costs three or four times that of one
built somewhere in the Pacific Rim, why would anyone buy it?

Eisboch

Richard. John Deere and Cat do a tremendous amount of outsourcing too.
I don't think you can buy an American made 100 hp John Deere anymore,
and almost all your track-hoe's regardless of flavor are made overseas
now.

Absolutely correct.  But where does the problem lie?  The management of the
American business realizes that his company will quickly go under if he
keeps manufacturing here in the States, requiring a much higher retail price
for his products.

The problem is the consumer.   They want cheap prices.  We live in a use and
throw-away world.
Quality, long lasting products have taken a back seat to cheap and cheaply
replaceable.

Expensive, big ticket items like John Deere tractors or Caterpillar
construction machines do well.
Replacement keyboards for computers, TV sets, microwaves and sneakers don't
do so well.

Eisboch

For factory workers, China is just a little bit better than a slave
labor state. Chinese assembly line workers make next to nothing. The
country has very vew standards about anything. What the right-wing here
wants is a country full of workers who are willing to toil for very low
wages and no or practically no benefits.

Why pay an American factory worker minimum wage, when you can buy
hundreds of Chinese workers through a labor contractor for $2.00 a day?

While unions are certainly responsible for some of that added cost, the
Chinese government has lower EPA standards, government subsidies, and
usually lower raw material costs.

My Logitech kb clearly says, "Made in China." Let's face it, they have to.
If it were made in the US, a $50 keyboard would cost $125. Gotta love them
unions.

--Mike

Actually I looked again and you are right (tiny print). I am guessing
the big "Canada" has to do with type acceptance

On Mar 6, 7:15 pm, gfretw...@aol.com wrote:

I've got a Longitech keyboard ad it's at least 7 yrs old. and says
China on the back of it.

My Logitech keyboard is made in Canada. Maybe not quite the US but at
least North American.
I do think Logitech makes the best keyboards for the price but my wife
has a Cherry that is bulletproof. I did pay close to $100 for it
though. It has survived dropping ... a lot, coffee, soda, water and an
assortment of other assaults.
We don't really have computer desks. We use our machines from our
living room chairs.

Probably. My new Microsoft keyboard, purchased from WalMart, was, in fact, make
in China. I suppose if I'd gone to a union shop the same keyboard would be made
here.

Learn something new daily!

Did you receive such condemnation when you searched for Socialist-
made German screwdrivers to aid the assembly of Communist Chinese
components in your  computers ?

There he goes, off to buy some cheap sh.t manufactured in China.

Hope he gets the melamine based dog food while he's there.  It'd be
good for taking the dog on trips since it'd likely be dead.  No more
nevousness or puking.

The letter before "E" on your typical keyboard is "W"

Hey man, a few thousan is no problem. You got a web site?

BTW, it's not my spelling. The letter before 'e' on my keyboar quit working.

amn! Now I'll have to buy a new one. Wal-Mart, here I come!

John, maybe the dog just doesn't like riding in a car. Of course, you
could probably take it to a pet psyciatrist and spend thousands of
dollars to find the same results too.  There's people who do that,
y'know....

The way you  describe your dog pulling like hell to get away from the evil boat
is exactly the way mine acts around cars. Although, she is getting a bit better.
She'll now jump into the back seat, after thinking about it a few minutes, if I
put her dog food there. I'm thinking something very bad must have happened to
her in the car.

Took our young Golden Retriever sailing.  He was great at first
barking at dolphins.  Then it got a bit choppy.  Believe me, there is
nothing sadder or messier than a seasick dog.
The Catahula went sailing with us one day, again, it got choppy and
she was miserable looking so sad I had to bring her in.  Once on leash
ashore, she was truly happy.  However whenever we approached the dock
where the boat was she pulled like hell to get away from that evil
boat.
Took the retriever canoeing.  No way he was gonna get in that boat.  I
finally had to lift him in.  He did not like it.
Years ago when I was a kid, our dog always went canoeing with us and
loved it.  She'd swim behind the boat and run along the banks.  These
days, too many gators, she'd be eaten in a heartbeat.

get her some benadryl antihistamines. for a 55 lb dog like i have we
give him 1 about an hour before we set out.  it has the same effect on
dogs it has on you...it makes you drowzy and calms you down.

this was recommended by a vet friend of mine and it seems to work
pretty well, rather than giving tranquilizers.

...but the damn thing is deathly afraid of being in the car. When put in, she
immediately begins over-salivating to the point where the saliva is coming out
as long streams. If we go for a very short ride, she will simply sit and drool.
We recently went to Stafford, about a twenty-five minute trip. She threw up
three times.

I've tried several things to get her more comfortable in the car. I'm now
feeding her there, and she's finally gotten to where she'll climb into the back
seat to eat her food. Before, I'd have to pick her up and put her in the car.

When we go for a walk, I put her in the car, drive a couple blocks, park the
car, and then walk. Coming home we do the reverse.

I've several times taken her out and put her in the car while I climb in and
read.

The vet has given us some Xanax, but that must be given a half hour before a
trip. Plus, I'd rather not have to medicate her.

Any ideas out there? Where I launch the boat is more than twenty minutes away,
and I don't want to have to clean up her puke when I get there.