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Re: Sit On Top Plans now available

Jim Conlin27 Apr 2004 16:00
Jacques, I have greatly valued the contributions of you and Kern and others.  Your professional
qualifications add credibility to your generous advice, and you never let the your business interest become
the primary message.  I don't think that i've mentioned, much less promoted, my boatbuilding business here,
and I won't.

I begin to have a problem when someone's message is not one of knowledgeable help with a boatbuilding issue
but instead touting a mundane product.

I hope that you will continue to contribute your wisdom and I wish that Kern would return.  We don't now
have someone knowledgeable about epoxy or LPU finishes.
Jim

> > > Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have
> > > lost a number of valuable resources in the past.  I had hoped that we
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>
> Jacques from bateau.com

Jacques27 Apr 2004 13:25
> > Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have
> > lost a number of valuable resources in the past.  I had hoped that we
> > learn from experience.
>
> what this newsgroup lost were promoters who discouraged (and
> that's putting it mildly) discussion of alternatives.

Sorry to disagree but I know for certain that Kern Hendricks from
System Three doesn't post anymnore because of the flaming. He provided
valuable information about epoxy in general.
The anti business attitude of some users results in the loss of good
contributors.
This has an historical base considering that the Usenet started as a
tool to exchange information between universities, a place where free
entreprise is not welcome and where capitalist ideas are censored.
It's time to grow up, professionals can be a great asset to this
group. Would you refuse advice from your doctor or lawyer because he
charges for his services?
The advice and information given here by professionals is free, it is
only normal that they state who they are and what they sell.
It is not a sin to be a boating professional!

Jacques from bateau.com

William R. Watt26 Apr 2004 11:35
> Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have
> lost a number of valuable resources in the past.  I had hoped that we
> learn from experience.

what this newsgroup lost were promoters who discouraged (and
that's putting it mildly) discussion of alternatives.

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Glenn Ashmore26 Apr 2004 01:28
> I disagree.  Matt is a contributing participant in this newsgroup who
> frequently chips in comments and help on subjects that do not affect
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> If someone wants to drop in to post spam and then disappear, I'm with
> Jim.

I am with you.  Actually we went through this several months ago.  There
is nothing in the charter for this news group that prohibits commercial
posts.  It has become a custom here to limit it to anouncements by
regular participants which Matt qualifies as.

Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have
lost a number of valuable resources in the past.  I had hoped that we
learn from experience.

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Glenn Ashmore

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Rick Tyler25 Apr 2004 22:38
>This is beginning to sound like commercial advertising.
>
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>Yet another tacky CAD rendering of an un-built, un-tested design we can live
>without.

I disagree.  Matt is a contributing participant in this newsgroup who
frequently chips in comments and help on subjects that do not affect
his business.  If he wants to announce a new design his company is
selling, that's great with me.  I would be happy to read the
occasional announcement from Steve Baker, Jacques Mertens, or any
other plan producer who contributes to r.b.b.

If someone wants to drop in to post spam and then disappear, I'm with
Jim.

- Rick Tyler

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"Ignorant voracity -- a wingless vulture -- can soar only into the
depths of ignominy."   Patrick O'Brian

Jim Conlin25 Apr 2004 04:14
This is beginning to sound like commercial advertising.

On posts which contribute expertise or special insight on a problem, a
tasteful trailer with a tag line and a web link is generally tolerated .  An
announcement of a hard-to-find item, like  okoume ply in Oklahoma or 1/8" WRC
veneer would be, too.

Yet another tacky CAD rendering of an un-built, un-tested design we can live
without.

> Greetings Builders,
>
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> JEM Watercraft
> http://jem.e-boat.net/

Matt Langenfeld25 Apr 2004 01:00
Greetings Builders,

A fine day to build your own Sit On Top kayak isn't it? We're mighty
proud of her as the VERY FIRST set of SOT kayak plans available.

http://jem.e-boat.net/proddetail.php?prod=CFSOT16

This one is a big one: almost 16' long and 31" wide. She's made for
stability and can carry a big load. Great for fishing. We'll follow up
with 2 other versions:

-14' and 28" wide
-12" and 26" wide

After that, some new styles of SOTs with different hull shapes.

Thanks

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Matt Langenfeld
JEM Watercraft
http://jem.e-boat.net/


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