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Re: Bargain basement radar?

Bruce in Alaska02 Sep 2007 21:00
> >>> You don't need a Marine Radar, which you can't use on Land anyway. You
> >>     --Clueless me: why can't I use a marine radar on land?
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> sideband radios used at sea.  They used to require licenses (I had one),
> but I don't know if they still do.

Actually, there ARE ligitimate uses for, and required Licensing
available, for Marine Handheld Radios on Land,  It is called a
Marine Utility Coast Station if used on Land, and a Marine Utility
Ship Station is used on water. To obtain one of these Marine
Utility Station Licenses, one must make an additional "Showing",
that meets the Requirments of 47CFR Part 80.501, AND that these
communications can not be accomplished via a Fixed Radio.

Under the Rules in place TODAY, Ship Station Licenses for US Flagged
Vessels that are "Non-Commercial" AND do NOT make International
Voyages, and use only VHF, RADAR, and EPIRB, ARE covered by a Blanket
FCC License Granted to all such Vessels, and are NOT required to have
Individual Station Licenses onboard. The same type of Blanket Station
License is available for US Registered Aircraft, that meet similar
requirments.

If, however, you chose to fit a MF/HF Marine Radio, UHF OnBoard
Communications Radios, or Marine Mobile Satellite Radio Systems,
even if non-Commercial in nature, you must then apply for, and
hold a Ship Station License onboard, that lists the appropriate
transmitter frequency bands, that you are Licensed to operate.

All commercial Vessels ARE required to have an Indivdual or Plurality
Ship Station License aboard.

Bruce in alaska
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Larry02 Sep 2007 15:35
>>> You don't need a Marine Radar, which you can't use on Land anyway. You
>>     --Clueless me: why can't I use a marine radar on land?
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>
> Casady

No flame intended, but that simply cannot be so.  If possessing a marine
band handheld on land were illegal, it would be impossible to sell them,
or assuming that you own one, it would be impossible to remove it from a
marine environment as most folks do with their boats in the winter.  You
certainly cannot transmit on marine frequencies  on land, but I doubt
that you cannot own one and remove it from your boat.  Furthermore, FM
radios don't even come with an application for an FCC license.  I don't
think licenses are required for FM.  I don't know about the single
sideband radios used at sea.  They used to require licenses (I had one),
but I don't know if they still do.
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Richard Casady01 Sep 2007 21:25
>>You don't need a Marine Radar, which you can't use on Land anyway. You
>    --Clueless me: why can't I use a marine radar on land?

Against FCC regs. A guy stepped off the boat onto the dock with a
marine band handheld. $8000 fine. The license was for the boat, not
the individual radios separately. Hence unlicensed anywhere else.

Casady

steamer01 Sep 2007 17:57
>You don't need a Marine Radar, which you can't use on Land anyway. You
    --Clueless me: why can't I use a marine radar on land?

>need something like a Speed Sensor, or a GunnPlexer.  Maybe gmheng.com
>would have somethng that would fit your needs.  My Little Brother builds
>some very nice gear using that technology....
    --Will check it out; thanks.

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Bruce in Alaska31 Aug 2007 21:00
>     --Went to West Marine; the cheapest unit they sell was over $2k.
> My application is a little weird but I don't need great range; a few hundred
> feet would be good enough.
>     --Does anyone know of a real bargain basement source for radar?
> I'm willing to build from a kit, but I haven't found anything.
>     Suggestions?

You don't need a Marine Radar, which you can't use on Land anyway. You
need something like a Speed Sensor, or a GunnPlexer.  Maybe gmheng.com
would have somethng that would fit your needs.  My Little Brother builds
some very nice gear using that technology....

Bruce in alaska
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steamer31 Aug 2007 16:04
    --Went to West Marine; the cheapest unit they sell was over $2k.
My application is a little weird but I don't need great range; a few hundred
feet would be good enough.
    --Does anyone know of a real bargain basement source for radar?
I'm willing to build from a kit, but I haven't found anything.
    Suggestions?

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